bigwave916

I've played Old Hickory at Fort Jackson and enjoyed it. Surprised no one from the area mentioned it, but then, it's the only course down there that I've played.

The rub of the greenmore like this......other phrases about:Sport and gamesColourBetting and luckMeaningLuck; especially in sports and pastimes played on a green surface. OriginSnooker commentators in the UK often refer to the 'rub of the green'. From the context of their remarks it is clear that what they mean by the phrase is 'luck', usually bad luck. I had always assumed that the green in question was the green baize cloth that covers the snooker table. When I heard the expression used in a similar context in a golf commentary it seemed just as likely that the green might have been a putting green. A little investigation has turned up the fact that, despite golf having ancient origins, the term rub wasn't first used in relation to that sport, or that of snooker, if indeed that can be called a sport, but was first used in the game of bowls. A 'rub' is any hindrance or impediment that diverts the bowl from its proper course. The term is virtually synonymous with 'let', which also remains with us in lawn tennis and in the expression 'let or hindrance'. Some of the early 16th century references to rubs are figurative, and so we can assume that the literal term rub was in use before then. Shakespeare alludes to a rub in Richard II, 1593: Lady: Madame, wee'le play at Bowles. Queen: 'Twill make me thinke the World is full of Rubs, And that my fortune runnes against the Byas. Of course, Shakespeare also referred to 'the rub', with the meaning of 'the obstacle', in one of his best-known passages - Hamlet's 'To be, or not to be' speech: To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come The first appearance of 'rub of the green' in print that I've found doesn't have anything to do with games where gentlemen sank balls into holes, but from Philip Horneck's The High-German Doctor, 1716, which is a strange rambling discourse on the occult. Horneck uses the expression as the name of a character. The first citation that I've found of the current, sporting meaning of the term does come from the world of golf. The rules of golf have been codified in Scotland since their first publication in 1744. From the 19th century these have mostly emanated from the Society of St Andrews Golfers, under the unambiguous name The Rules of Golf. In 1812, the rules included: Whatever happens to a Ball by accident, must be reckoned a Rub of the green. Over time, a 'rub' has altered in meaning from a physical hump, dip or some other hindrance on the green's surface to 'a stroke of good or bad fortune'.

Yeah, Martyn, we know that, but the "committee" is one person and he was not aware of the problem until we reported it at scoring. We were the last group to finish since the group behind us "withdrew". Also the first half of the field went through before the water began to run down the green enough to create the rivlet. I was just commenting on the rarity of such a set of circumstances. The fact that some played the hole under different conditions was just the "rub of the green" as far as any of us were concerned.

It was raining steadily from first tee until after we cleared the green on 17. Medal play, one day tournament this past Saturday. Two things I saw that I've never seen before: 1. A guy playing in the group ahead of us had a hat that was really just a mini umbrella with a headband in it so that he was literally wearing an umbrella. Funny looking as all get out, but great idea if you don't mind looking silly. Of course, the subject of it's legality in tournament play came up. Of course all you rule fanatics know there's nothing illegal about it. You can even hold an umbrella yourself while playing you just can't have someone else hold it for you. 2. On the 14th hole there was a stream of water running from the back to the front. This stream of water was 3/4 to 1 inch deep in some areas and 3 to 4 feet wide.. There was casual water on a couple of greens and we made the appropriate allowances under the rules of golf. However, on this particular hole the stream of water ran over the cup and the cup was submerged with at least a 1/2 inch of water over the cup. We had no choice but to putt through the water to the cup. I was closest so I was able to watch everyone else put and see there balls come up very short because of the water. I also noticed that when the put there hand in the hole to retrieve there ball water was forced out of the cup reducing the level in the immediate area. By the time I stroked my par put the water was down a good bit and I was able to putt upstream a little and let the water current help the ball into the hole.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/golf/article37843788.html

I want to start out by saying that I have prayed and will continue to pray for those who are affected by the flooding in SC, the poor souls that are missing on the cargo ship, and the folks in the Bahamas that had the hurricane stalled over the islands for so long. I don't want to be insensitive at all because as important as golf is to me, it is nothing compared to the human suffering that has impacted so many. With that being said, can anyone give me an idea of damage to the golf courses in the MB area especially up around Little River and the southern part of NC?

I don't know about Tony Horton, but I have Joey D's book "Fix Your Body, Fix Your Swing" and I recommend it. The book has fitness tests to see what particular area in which you need the most work. The book gives you a "prescription" to fix whatever it is. 6 tests and specific exercises to address the specific problem. I was deficient in 3 of the 6....balance, hip turn, and shoulder turn.

Good call there "jongles" If we'd seen the red stakes fromt he tee box, we would have let the guy know there was no need for a provisional.

I had the pleasure of being paired with the same guy for both days of a 36 hole tournament this weekend. He had no real breach of the rules of golf, but I was watching him and we were playing with a friend of mine who is even more strict about any breach of the rules, and he know's what he's talking about when he cites the rules. Mr. Charles ends up in a bunker that is 3/4 full of water and not happy that he had to take a drop in the bunker. He thought he should be allowed to drop outside the bunker. I explained that under the rules he could drop in the bunker away from the water but if he played from outside the bunker that would be taking relief from an unplayable lie and it would cost him a stroke. He chose to hit from the bunker. At the end of the round he offered to buy me a beer and I took the opportunity to explain some of the things I'd observed in the two rounds I'd played with him and I politely told him that he ought to read up on the rules before he goes to Nationals. No sense being DQ'd in a 4 day event after paying a serious amount of money to participate. The guy is hard to read and I don't know if it sunk in, but he acknowledged what I was saying and said he agreed with me. The next day, I'm paired with the guy again and he pulls one way left into an area marked with red stakes, plays a provisional, he and my friend look for the one in the hazard but they didn't find it. Next thing we know the guy is taking practice swing beside his provisional. I told my friend "He knows his first one is in a hazard, right?" He says "I told him he needed to take a drop down there when we were looking for the ball" So he tells the guy the provisional cannot be played. The guy goes down and drops, as he should. It just looks like the guy plays dumb to see what he can get away with. Good news is that though he was leading after the first round he ended up in second to a guy that I know plays by the rules even when no one is looking.

:-)[quote name="Duff McGee" url="/t/83197/putting-the-frustration/54#post_1177175"] I'm kind of sad that long putters are going away because now that I can afford one I am so curious....I've always been better staring down the line than looking in my periphery. In baseball I use a more open stance for that very reason.[/quote] Long putters going away? I've got an Odyssey Arm Lock putter that I can let you have cheap. Maybe used two rounds total. :-)

Look, with all due respect, what I said was true and your own statement supports what I said. "you have to notify the marker or competitor, you cant just hit one and decide what to do when you find them both." As you pointed out If you re-tee without declaring a provisional then this new ball is in play and your re-tee is your third shot. Exactly, you can't just choose when you find them both. You've already "chosen" by hitting a second ball with which you are now laying 3, becuase you didn't notify your marker or competitor that you were hitting a provisional ball.

I'm with you on that. First thing I see when I read the putt is usually right and the more I think the more I second guess and then you don't hit the putt with confidence. It's hard to viualize the track of the ball if you haven't decided how its going to roll. I make quite a few putts by just walking up and rolling them without a lot of set up and time spent reading the green. I don't recomend it but I think overall it doesn't really hurt my total putts.

You are correct of course, but I believe you have to notify the marker or competitor, you cant just hit one and decide what to do when you find them both.

[quote name="rkim291968" url="/t/83478/multiple-infractions/18#post_1176637"] @bigwave916 , I am relatively new to tournament scene and ask questions during tournament rounds when in doubt. Others who sense that I am new have given me "tips" on what not to do during tournament rounds. Those tips (or friendly warnings for some cases) are much appreciated. I think you should try letting them know during play. Properly delivered "tips" should do the trick. [/quote] Guys, thanks for the feedback and the advice but I pointed out 3 of the infractions as polite and kind as I could. I even mentioned to the offender that "a lot of guys would call you on it" I was shocked when I checked his record to see how many tournaments he'd played in. He should've known better and probably did. I've been playing in tournaments off and on for a long time (30+ years) and never experienced anything like this. I'm not angry about it, and I've already stated that I would have insisted he take the penalties had there been anyone else in the field to protect.