jordy466

Hi Lihu, Thanks for the defence :) Indeed you are correct, I played a par 3 course in the UK yesterday at the seaside in kent and with the wind blowing I am amazed that anyone could get any sort of a score!! :) The greens were ridiculously small also :) On a 120 yard hole, I would need anything from my sand wedge to my 8 iron :) Also, To get the ball on the green with the side wind, I had to aim about 20m to the right/left of the green and also using counter spin. Also as it is a links course, one bad bounce and the ball is 50m down a hill with a landing area the size of a postage stamp to drop the ball back onto the green. As it is, the reason I was saying I went from good scores to ridiculous scores, was not the par 3 course, but the shanking, pretty much every hole is bordering an out of bounds as it winds around the main course. I literally was hitting every ball to the right and out of bounds, so in the end I was just giving up, because the only thing I could hit straight was my putter! :( But you'll be happy to know I started getting more regular again!! I played 3 par 3 courses this weekend in Kent that I never played before and scored 8 over par on each round :) And also only shanked the ball a maximum of twice on each round as well! It's good to be regular!

Hi Piper! Thanks very much for your kind insight :) I think I am probably doing all of those things wrong!! Unfortunately, golf has a million minute possibilities that could go wrong and about another million more possible cures!! I am still having the same problem every now and then which is still killing me! I think indeed that my main problem is just that I use my arms way too much instead of the body and I am working really hard on that, just to use my legs, hips and drive into the shot without swinging with my arms!! But when it goes good it goes great! That is the most frustrating part :) I played a tournament this weekend and I hit 2 under. Last weekend I was 26 over par :( But I am starting to iron out the problems I hope! I am living in Antwerpen and I play at Brasschaat golf club :)

Is it just me or does your club have a crazy amount of flex? :) Is that normal? Surely, that much flex makes it hard to consistently strike the ball? (Obviously I am not an expert - just curious :) )

Hi all! You are all geniuses :) Unfortunately my friend was not there today with his camera - he will definitely come next weekend to film me and I will upload the shots - however, I did the take away as discussed, low and feeling that the club didn't come on the inside of my hands, I turned with the club quite steeply with the wrist break, but then felt like I was flattening my swing on the start of the downswing, so instead of going shallow to steep like mentioned above, that I came steep, to shallow and swung in to out and FINALLY the ball started flying in the air and reasonable straight. I also opened my stance up as per Cipher, and I played pretty well - I did hit some shots not so clean, but that I think because I was too anxious about where the ball was going to go and not relaxed enough - when I relaxed - Hole 3 (Par 4 ) I hit my Hybrid from tee - 170m / 7 iron into the green 140m (8m from hole) and hit a lucky putt for birdie :)

Great :) Thanks for your help already - this seems like very valuable and constructive advice. I have been swamped with work this week - but will 100% be on the range this weekend and bring my camera to show you current shots at better angles and hopefully we can work the solution together. Cipher and mvmac i think are spot on and golfingdad thanks for the info and support :) I am really very grateful!!

Hey :) I am new here too!! Sergio is awesome!! Although I also like Ben Crane very much!! Have you seen his YouTube channel? :)

:) thanks! unfortunately my beginners luck of being able to hit the ball straight and repeating everytime for about 6 months just wore off which left me useless and lost :) I am not sure if I am shanking - that is why I thought impact tape would help because then I can see what is going on. Is it possible to shank every single shot - even if you drastically change your feet position - club head address from extreme open, neutral to extreme closed, swing path, club type....?

There's only one problem - when I was swinging like the videos above that I posted - I never sliced the balls. Normally, If I mishit - it would be a fat shot or pushed to the left. The 3 balls that I chipped - The first 2 balls landed 1m directly to the left of the basket and the last ball landed in the basket. My PW in the first frame landed about 2m away from the 110m red flag I was aiming at. but ok - let me upload my current swing and we can compare.

wow - that's really cool stuff - I was just showing an older example of some swings for fun a few months ago when I could actually hit the ball! :) Thanks very much, I will get a better video of my current swing and problem and upload and I really hope you can help!! thanks again!

Here is another one of me a month further on - HCP 3 and chipping to a basket 50m away with my lob wedge

Hi Cipher, I think I was too and worked on flattening my swing a little and an inside out swing path which worked really well for the next 3 months. I was a HCP 4 on the par 3 when the above film was taken. I will update a new film asap. Thanks!

I have posted a video of my swing from last year - this was after I had been playing about 3 months. I was told that my left foot turns on impact and I was swinging too aggressively and steeply - which I worked on. At this time - I was a 4 HCP on the Par 3 course. http://thesandtrap.com/t/65184/my-swing-jordy466 Nex time I am at the range - I will film my god awful uncontrollable slice and also me hitting the ball perfectly with a dynamic "happy gilmore" swing :)

I've been Playing Golf for: 1 Year My current handicap index or average score is: 3 for par 3 / 18 for Main Course - My typical ball flight is: Long, high and straight The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: complete mishit slice out of the blue Videos:

I thought I had it my friend! :) I thought I would come onto a forum to find some actual help - 3 local pro's from my club can't help me, but when I know there are more than 20,000 PGA pro's in the World, I am sure that someone has seen a problem like mine. The greens on my course are nothing like a PGA tour course!! :) They don't have stimp readings of +12. It doesn't have the grand canyon depression or himalayan mountain range running through it. Not everyone thinks I am cheater - Everyone who has played with me, tournaments and training at my club +/- 100 people know exactly how I play but they also don't understand what is wrong and think it is all just in my head. I think however, I have come to the wrong place because people just seem to want to mock me - I have an honest problem that I do not know how to solve and I am being as open and honest as possible so that everyone can understand what I need help with. For example if you ask me how long I hit my driver - I tell you honestly 220m and not very well - too much trying and not enough rhythm. If you ask me how I used to hit my 58 degree wedge - 80m - that will stop almost immediately and avg of 2-3 m from the pin. My 58/54/PW and 9 iron were my best clubs. Even the club champion said my wedges were ridiculous - but remember I trained with my wedges for 6 months 30 hours a week - plus I have a net at home that I used - I played purely on feeling and now I have lost it? :( Next time I am at the range - hopefully tonight, I will take some videos and upload!

Hi Colin, I understand - it is what makes it much worse. It is the same with players at my local club and with the Pro's who are trying to help me. I shot -6 once (best score) but in the last couple of months when I was playing I was regularly shooting -2/-4 on training rounds. As you can see from my tournament score cards - I was very regular at hitting par, and when i wasn't nervous, I was more aggressive with my putts. Also, I played every single day for 6 months straight at least 3 hours and 6 hours Sat and Sun, so it is not the same as someone playing once a week. So almost 30 hours a week golf. There is no point in cheating in golf - the only person you cheat is yourself and if you cheat yourself than you are a very lowly person indeed. I think my problem is, that I learnt to play completely by feel, no technical lessons, no indepth analysis and now I no longer am able to feel what is incorrect, and in trying to find a solution am just making everything worse. If I can get to the range tonight, I will take a new video of my swing.

my apologies, 60 over was an aggressive and depressive exageration!! But believe me when I say that from one day to the next, I could no longer hit the ball. Below is an image of a hidden green Par 3 - 120m - this was a good approach for me with my 9 iron. My average was around 3m from the hole for 120m. I have also, included a copy of the last 4 tournaments I played - Par 3 - 18 holes. HCP is the last column. I will post my swing, you have no idea how stressed I am, I am not a cheater, I love golf, I just want to play well and people who didn't play golf me last summer, also think I am some sort of cheater. It is embarrassing. I can not get to the range tonight, but this week, I will also film myself doing my "dynamic" swing without setup and you will understand the frustration.

Unfortunately, the ball isn't really flying in the air anymore. :( Otherwise indeed it would be easier to understand the problem. I think perhaps the best way to get some feedback is to try some impact tape? It is either going straight along the ground in front of me, slicing directly to the right, or a very weak shot that gains half height and bends to the right.

My apologies, I am new to the site and wanted to say hello and find the best place to get a reaction on my problem!

colin007 - Please believe me, I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I do not want to boast or pretend to be something I am not. I am not looking to impress people, I am having trouble and my case appears to be unique as per everyone I know from my club who I have spoken to. This is a par 3 course we are talking about - I have registered tournament score cards of me playing 1 over par in official tournaments, if you really need me to, I can upload them. In training I was playing an average of -3 and trained with the 3 local PGA pro's. ( I got nervous in tournaments) I can give you their phone number if you would like to call to verify. Now I slice the ball almost continously and that is the only point to this post. I only know the 3 local pro's and they have not been able to help. Perhaps someone had something similar to this and I wanted to reach a wider audience. The only way I do not slice the ball - is if I take a step back, step forward and hit the ball immediately - problem is, this is not a repeatable swing. Thanks!!

Thanks :) I have read the forum for a little while and tried to pick up tips, but then I thought it was rude not to become a member :)

Hi Mr. Desmond, I will when I am home this evening. Thanks!

Hi inthehole, Indeed, one of my problems in the beginning was swinging too steeply (although it didn't cause me to slice) I worked on this and have a much more rounded swing. But I still have a slice - my head is still, my clubface is not open or closed - 3 different PGA Pro's have looked at my swing, video's of my swing and they have no clue why I now slice the ball compared to how I used to play. Even trackman doesn't pick up any major anomalies. :( Worse - is that I can hit the ball perfect when I step into a shot (like field hockey or playing a tennis forehand for example) but I can't hit the ball if I am standing still. Thanks for replying - I will hit some balls again tonight and look at flattening my swing plane even more until it is almost baseball like :) I swing inside to out, it is why I was so accurate on my short game. :S it's also crazy that it is not everytime - one day, I can hit every ball perfect, just like before - the very next day I slice more than 100 balls in a row and nothing feels or looks different. It is very very frustrating.

Hi everyone, Ok - I started about 1 year ago - I am quite sporty and have good hand eye coordination - 27 years old. I took 2 lessons to understand the grip, stance, swing and basics and everything went well - within 1 month I had a HCP of 1 for Par 3 courses. Within 6 months I was playing between -2 and -6 for my local and 2over and -1 for other par 3 courses. If i played on the main course - also non local courses - I would be between 8 and 16 over. Although I only played on a big course about 5 times. Problem - 3 months ago, I went from being able to hit a round on the Par 3 in -6 (best) to hitting it in about 60 over!!!! Reason - SLICE - I hit every ball like this - thousands of balls at the range - not a single one straight or in the air, just a slice to the right. I watched pro's - watched videos of myself back when I was playing off 1. I couldn't see a difference. I took more lessons - 3 different pro's and none could figure out what the problem was :( they all said a different thing without proof or fact - Club open / Club closed / hands... STRANGE FACT - one day, without warning, actually 2 weeks ago - I was able to hit straight again, went to the Par 3 and played 4 over Par on 18. Played on the main course and hit 5 Over for 9 holes. Only ONE DAY!! the next day - the slice is back. SECOND STRANGE FACT - I only slice the ball when I am static. I can drop a ball, not line up, not measure or take a stance. Take one step away from the ball and then "kinda like happy gilmore" take a dynamic step forward, swing and I hit the ball perfect every time. This is the thing that is really confusing my local PGA pro's. They say it is impossible :( I hope someone here can help me because I am not happy playing golf anymore - even though I dream about it every night. My apologies for writing quite so much!! (My club HCP is still 3 as I haven't played in qualifying events since, my actual HCP is 18 as recommended by club)