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Basically, he just used less moving parts in his golf swing. He eliminated so many that he could hit 1000 balls a day without much strain or without getting even remotely tired. It's almost like he was just standing there. The single plane idea is false for this reason: Moe never said anything about a single plane. When I heard him speak, he said the reason he put his arms all the way out there was because he was much less likely to move his arms around too much. He gave an example of this in the videos that i will post in here. He showed his arms flailing in the close body position, then said "but out here I can't!" Another example of less moving parts is his placing the club behind the ball about a foot with his irons and about 2 feet with his woods. He said this eliminated a foot of the swing, put his left shoulder already in his turn, and he couldn't take it outside. I'm not saying this to make anyone mad, but it's the truth. Think about it. How would you hit a ball if you arms were flailing all around and your head moving side to side? You couldn't even hit the ball! Let's say you keep your head still instead and kept your arms like we do today. How much better chance would you have of hitting the ball better, more square, and just in general hitting it to begin with? Think before you post. Insults will NOT be posted. Any flaming and I will quit posting replies. Same with trolling or bullying. You're allowed to disagree, but do not insult other's opinions, or say that someone else is an idiot for their ideas, etc. Be nice. In conclusion, less moving parts equals a better strike, and though you lose distance, you're dead straight. This was his secret Videos: Some extra info: With less moving parts, you will also be able to control the distance of the shot better, and the direction. Warning: you lose alot of distance. At least you're straight right?

My putting advice would be to simply try to get the ball close. People are too obsessed over trying to make everything. When you have a 3 footer obviously you would want to make it, but don't make a big deal out of it if you miss. Make your bogey and move on. The technique is simple as well. you take it back, and hit it. If you give it some thought its actually quite silly to think about how to roll a ball on the ground with a stick from a technical mindset. Your stroke is fine if you can hit the ball. My putting method is simple, get it close, if you miss tap in.

These stats are both in his book. He claimed to have carried it 260 but he also said that he couldn't carry a creek that was 230 unless he hits his best shot. I'm just stating what he said in his book.

I'm just afraid that if I swing to hard I might break my driver face. LOL

I just researched pros carry distances and it's about 260. Jack carried about the same. So I don't see a difference really, besides the fact that fairways and greens are much faster than they were back in the 70's.

Really I'm getting the idea that the pros carry the ball 230 is based on Jack's book Golf My Way, which described that most pros (back then) carried about 230 and when they hit 300 yard drives it rolled about 70 yards. I guess they hit it longer now than they did then but still I think they're longest drives, even if they do carry 270, are because of the factors above. If you want a 350 yard drive, it will need roll, downhill, and tailwind. I'm a short hitter, and no matter how hard I swing, I can't get it past 250 without tearing something, so I really rely on wind and roll for my distance. Maybe I don't have enough distance to compete on the tour, But I certainly have enough to shoot par in about a year if I keep playing automatically. By the way, jack said that there was a hole on a course that he couldn't carry a creek 230 out unless he hit his absolutely best shot. He said this indicates the truth about professional golf distance perfectly. Though pros are longer now with carry, they can't hit 350 without roll, elevation, downhill, and tailwind (maybe not all at once). So when you're upset because you're ball isn't going long enough, think about those factors.

Ok I'm sorry I misunderstood the thread. Anyway, have a good rest of your day, Xerex

I will look at this now. I appreciate your concern.

I agree with this from a certain point of view. Jack Nicklaus faded the ball, so he aimed about 12 feet left of the flag, never at it. The reason he did this was that if he was the hit the shot dead straight, he would have a 12 foot putt; if he doubled the amount of fade to a slice, he'd still only have a 12 foot putt. So I can see the logic behind this.

True I guess for some. Jack Nicklaus said he went full out on every shot and could carry 260. That was with the old equipment, though I don't see much difference between the old clubs and balls as compared to the modern stuff. If the pros are using 80%, then they must be some huge guys. On tv they look small, but I've seen Bubba Watson's arms and they are larger than most. He also uses leverage very well. Most of these guys are huge, like 6' and 240 pounds. I'm only about 170 pounds and 5'4". Any other ideas on how they hit the ball so far? Thank you for your concern, Xerex

Maybe I am off on the carry. Still, I think that most of the distance they get comes from roll and tailwind, elevation (as someone here said) and dry, downhill fairways. Maybe they do carry at least 260, not 230. maybe even 270. But rarely does someone carry 300. But most of the time they hit the ball extraordinarily far. This was just my views on it. I guess they do carry a little longer than I said, for example maybe 270, which of course, is impossible for most of us (not all of us though) Though we can increase our distance by having these factors. I don't know, but before I wrote this thread I had looked up the average carry of pros on multiple sites and it averaged about 230-240 carry. Guess I was mislead. Still, I'm probably the shortest hitter on the planet, averaging 190 on my drives to 210. My longest carry was 250. What's the average distance someone like me should have with driver? I'm 17 and been playing for about 3 years. also, I have about a 18 handicap and I don't swing too hard. any ideas? Xerex

Simply put, Jack Nicklaus said that he could carry about 260 swinging as hard as he could. He rarely hit over 300 unless he has a tailwind, downhill, and dry fairways. I'd say the same for pros nowadays. They don't carry 300 yards unless they're going downhill, downwind and on dry fairways. Most of them carry about 230 (estimate) and it rolls about 50 yards. These courses that the pros play on are dried out hard and fast. No wonder they hit it so far! Also these courses have a lot of wind. If they have a headwind, they merely hit it lower. If they have a tailwind, look out there's going to be some bombs, especially if it's downhill and the fairways are hard. I hit my drives about 200 carry and if I had these conditions described here I could hit it 270 (maybe 250) No wonder it doesn't look like they're trying. They let the course take care of distance for them. Also, Jack also said that a course he had a hand in designing called harbor town, there was a hole in which there was a creek separating two fairways and he said that it carried about 230. But he also said that he couldn't carry that spot unless he hit his absolutely best shot. He said that if he hit it even just a bit thin, he wouldn't be able to carry, no matter how hard he swung. This makes sense because most of us only drive about 230 on average, but we play on slow courses and we don't swing very hard. I swing all out and I still can't get it past 220 on the range, but on a fast course I can get it to 280. So generally, this is my opinion on how the pros hit it so far. Another factor though, is how strong these guys are; they swing so fast because of their strength. So if you want more distance, work out. Simple as that. That's my opinion. Sources: Jack Nicklaus' Book Golf My Way and my own logic Comment freely. Thank you for your concern, and I appreciate your responses Have a nice rest of your week, Xerex250 (pastaman)

Ok, so we all want a better golf swing. That's fine. But here's what needs to happen to make it effective. For all motor skills to be properly executed, there must be little thought about "how" and more thought of just doing it. When you throw a ball, what are you thinking about? Your elbow or your wrist? No. You're thinking about throwing the ball towards the target. And I bet you can throw perfectly fine. So the golf swing, once you have the basics down, you should make it automatic. It shouldn't be consciously controlled. Just swing and hit. It really is that simple.

I wouldn't worry about comparing swing speed with distance. If you want to know your distance, get a rangefinder.

Putting isn't difficult. Think about it. You tap a ball and it rolls towards the hole. If you can make it subconscious and not think about your stroke, just hit the putt towards the hole, you'll be a great putter in no time. Putting is so simple. Inconsistency is caused mainly by you thinking about so many different things all at once. focus on hitting the ball somewhere near the hole. By the way, how many 10 footers do you expect to make? About 70 percent is most people's expectation. But the pros, the best players in the game only make these 50 percent of the time. So really give it some thought. If you want to improve your score, focus on mainly just trying to get the ball close from 15 feet. Sometimes, by default, it will drop. Make those 3 footers most of the time. this way you two putt more often than three putt. But don't worry if you do end up three putting. The pros do it sometimes, so there's no reason why you should be exempt from three putting. Still, three putting isn't the end of the world. if you two putt most of the time, one putt sometimes, and thee putt rarely, then you're a great putter.