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I give up. I have tried upgrading to a new"er" driver and failing miserably. I have been hitting a Speedline 9064 driver for over a year and tried stepping it up a bit with a Speedline Super LS. The white color doesn't bother me. But the slice does. I draw every club in my bag. All the way up to the 3 wood. The 9064 draws as well but I'm hitting 250-270 on the course. Not the range, but the course. I can crank it up at the range but i don't count that. I tried switching over to newer technology to see if i could reach an extra 10 - 20 yards and should have listened to the swing monitor. I don't buy new. I generally pull things off the used racks for 50% of the price. I was reaching swing speeds of about 111. But everything was slicing to the right. I had to really mess with my swing to get it to go straight and then started duck hooking to the left. Tried different settings settings since it is adjustable. I just can't hit the thing. I have gone back to my 3 wood in multiple rounds since i keep loosing confidence in the thing. Been trying to get a swing path that i can count on with this club and have failed. This is costing my strokes and am about fed up with this club. The 9064 is from 2011. I have tried a bunch of drivers from last year with minimal gain in distance. Can't really speak for accuracy since i haven't been able to take them out on the course. I have hit the PING G25 that a friend uses with good success. Two drives on two separate Par 5's went 275+ measured with a GPS. Easy to hit so that might be my next choice later this year when the prices come down. Anyone have similar experiences with new drivers. They being designed for length and not accuracy? Maybe newer isn't always better... Regards.

Putters form the Cleveland Classic line are nice and under 100 bucks new. Used and they should be even cheaper. I have been using an HB3 fro some time now and works great for me.

Never know? Up until a short time ago clubs were gloss black, then flat black to "decrease glare". Then you start seeing white clubs and putters. White without glare?? I have seen putters that have a clear portion with a line in the top and bottom portions of the putter. You can see the bottom line through the top of the putter and align the two lines. Not sure if they are training aids only or if they are PGA approved. But a reflection might have the same effect as the Odyssey two ball putters with the third circle being the ball. I used one for a while and found a definite advantage in aligning the circles to create a line. At the very least could be on to the next marketing approach.

Welcome. Grips can be a finicky thing. I like clean and understated. These are black with a white butt cap. The plain black Golf Pride grips are cool too but found they dry up too fast too.

I have had a set of Lamkin's REL 3Gen midsized grips on my irons for about 6 months now and can't recommend them enough. They have been in my car through the summer in the southern heat and show no signs of drying out. I have tried Golf Pride dual compound grips and while the cord part holds up i noticed that too many of them were shot after a few months of heat. They would get that dry shinny feel to them. Tried Winn grips too but to be fair i think it was a bad selection of grip type. Tried one of those spongy types for added grip in the rain. Didn't work. These 3Gen's are great. They actually do get tacky when its humid out. And hold up well though heat and cold. Don't think I will be replacing these for a while. And at about 5 bucks a piece its not very expensive replacing them on a whole set of clubs. I would recommend these to anyone when the golf season gets fired up. Regards.

Ask him if he always fades the ball after hitting a 60 yard slice into the trees.

Thanks for the in depth Fourputt. I appreciate the discussion. Its the spirit of the rules that i feel should always be upheld. Based on your description all of this makes sense. I would ask you this. What is your standing on repairing spike marks. You make a great point about luck. Imagine you have a three foot put on the 18th for a win. What are the rules upholding by not allowing your to fix the drag mark some elephant left behind? So you can lift the ball, clean the ball and replace it in a manner other than the original lie by allowing you to align it with a mark you placed on the ball other than what was allowed by the manufacturer. But you're not allowed to repair a spike mark. Divots, club marks, etc, but not spike marks. I realize this is a tangent to the original post. Just enjoying the conversation and i thank you all for the input. Regards,

Just looked one up that is in my town. Never been there before but might give it a visit. I didn't see nothing mentioned on the website about leagues. Mostly instruction.

You can start with narrowing your stance and practice for a little while like that. Narrow stance prevents weight shifts.

I have tried using a line on a ball for a little while. I did find a benefit of speeding up my approach for long lag puts where the cup is way outside my line of sight. I just find it interesting where many of the rules of golf are about defining exactly what you can do and how you can do it. There is so much about not moving the ball, not touching the ball, not causing the ball to move, conditions when you may touché the ball, until a year or so ago the wind could cause you a stroke if the ball were to move just because you're standing over it and never touched it! But because you put a mark down on the green you can clean it and align it and so on. I don't see the consistency. I have even read about the outrage of lift clean and place in Augusta. But i can't help but shake my head when they do it all day long on the greens. I guess its a pet peeve of mine that won't go any further. Thanks

Good point. Look at the horizontal shadow just above his head in both pics. Notice his head is almost in the same place relative to that horizontal line? His head barely moved, especially in comparison to the amount his hips moved as indicated by the red lines.

On video 2. Try freezing at the 11th second. Please understand I'm not criticizing. Do you see how your folding over your left side. I think your trying to generate power but you're not. You're loosing tension. You should be building tension on your right side but balanced on your right leg. Instead your spine is folding over. You then have to unravel back over to get the club head back to path. Its not a clean path back to the ball. Try keeping your left arm straighter one th back swing and all the way through the forward swing. This will give you a better chance of clean contact with the ball. One less variable coming back to the spot the club has to get to. You're folding your arm to increase the amount of backswing you're creating but in actuality you're not. Keep it straight if you can. Let your wrist create some hinge. It will create some lag and increase speed through the swing. Fire with your hips. Notice how your shoulders and hips are facing the same angles almost all the way through the swing. When you get to your set on your backswing your hips should fire. That is where the left knee is a trigger. The knee thaws out a little. The hips follow and the upper body then gets pulled through. Your hips are what should move forward. Your head stays back and you end up with the reverse C finish. At impact try to imagine your left leg, left arm and club all lined up. From the front view like you filmed if you froze the screen at impact all three should be lined up with your hips open and forward. I hope you find this helpful. Regards.

That's true about pace of play. 4 guys aligning their golf balls can add a few minutes to a hole. Good point about the mark. Although i doubt the guys i play with would ever enforce a stroke on moving a ball that isn't marked. But that's another topic of discussion i've see on other posts.

It's all about clearing the lower body. I would suggest trying it in practice at a very easy rate and then ramp it up if it seems to work. Search the internet about the Reverse C finish. I believe many of the old time greats had a similar finish.Especially with long clubs like driver and 3 wood. I don't think its something that you intentionally do but rather a result of a proper swing sequence. Its kind of a result of the hips and upper body finishing in the right sequence and just letting the finish go thorough to the end that looks like a Reverse C. Nicholas and Watson both credited for finishing in that manner and never heard of them getting injured form it either. I tend to have a stiff back but when i finish in that manner it actually feels like a release rather than a snap at the finish. Also take a look at some to the long drive hitters. Some finish like that too. Not recommending you try to imitate their swings. Just see if you can draw info from their technique. I have. Regards.

i agree. I wouldn't hang my hat on anyone's swing theory. But Hogan, like so many others had good points. That was what i was referring to. Try it and see if the results are positive. Otherwise move on and try something else.

I guess an approach to the first note is that there could be a detail that describes the process in placing the ball. Kind of like when setting your feet in a bunker, you're allowed to dig your feet into the sand to a point where you're not testing the sand. You would be able to place the ball on the green but not in a manner that is obviously lining the ball up. I guess the second note is truly a matter of opinion. I know some people do it. I prefer not to. But i have seen where they line the ball up and then line the putter up with the line on the ball. Just doesn't seem like a legitimate put without a bunch of extras... Thanks

Correct. To further my thought, I was just interested in what people think about altering a ball other than what the manufacturer printed on the ball. The fact that someone is placing the ball back in a manner that gives an advantage over the original resting position doesn't seem like outside of the spirit of the rules? To make things even, if a line were printed by the manufacturer, then everyone using that ball would have to deal with or use the line to their advantage. I just find it odd how some rules are all about standardizing and evening out the playing field, like the putting stroke, but other rules allow a level of personal decision like drawing lines to further alignment on a ball. Thanks

No problem. I hope it helps. This is a great video. I reference it form time to time my myself. I do believe that the left leg action is integral to helping the proper rotation and balance. I found it difficult to incorporate into my swing until it happened naturally. I think he used that motion to create a proper transition to his right side. Notice how he had the upward motion at the end and not a slide to the left. Reverse C. Getting his fundamentals into your swing would be a great start. Moe Norman are another great reference worth looking into regarding how to hit driver with aim. Regards.

Hey there. Posting this as a point of discussion, not as a confirmation of the rules. I see a lot of people lifting their ball when they reach the green and i am fine with that. But when they put the ball back they have lines on it that they use to align their put. b. Lifting Ball A ball on the putting green may be lifted and, if desired, cleaned. A ball so lifted shall be replaced on the spot from which it was lifted. So i do not see anything that determines how the ball should be returned to its original place, but doesn't it seem like improving your lie by using a line as an alignment aid? I use one for practice to see that the ball is rolling straight and my putting is not causing a side spin. But during the game? Im just surprised that this is not something that has been addressed or clarified by the rules, especially after all this attention with the belly putter and unfair advantages. Regards.

Very true...

Looks interesting, priced reasonably well and got some very good reviews. Wish i had seen this before i wasted 700.00 on a P3Proswing...

Just spent the past 45 minutes reading people's opinions on this topic. I have had a few people ask me my opinion at the driving range about various swing issues but I will certainly be keeping my opinions to myself when on the course. Didn't know so many people felt that strongly about not getting advice. Makes sense though. If someone doesn't ask, don't offer, not matter how bad they suck. 2 cents...

I have looked at this device but that is a lot of cash for something without proof of it working. Already wasted a bunch of money on new technology P3Proswing. I read up on it that you need to enter the stimp of the greens you want to put on. I would be interested in hearing if anyone has seen their putting improve from using this device.

Just a thought, if you know your miss and able to hit the ball correctly most of the time, then maybe its your pre shot routine that needs to be developed? Maybe part of your issue isn't your swing, but inconsistency. It could be fixed if you build a good pre shot routine. If i'm hitting the ball well and don't need to make any corrections with my swing at the range, then i try to rehearse a routine from start to finish. IF you get that grooved in it will prove helpful when you're standing on the T-box without having hit the ball ten times before that important drive, like at the range. A pre shot routine can get you there mentally and maybe get you to recreate that swing you had at the range... Regards.