RightEdge

Yea, I don't know for sure. I'd heard a bunch of people discussing that theory on different occasions but you know, it's just a point of discussion. Everybody is guessing

You may be right about that but I just can't see that dude retiring anytime soon.

I will have to disagree somewhat with that first part. Also, we all know what swinging hard doesn't necessarily increase your swing speed. I have watched Tiger closely and he is swinging harder than he should but only with his driver. Some of those swings are monstrous!! If you don't think he IS using a controlled swing explain how a golfer of THAT caliber cannot manage to hit a fairway? Now sometimes it seems like he is also hitting down on the ball with the driver that introduces extra side spin. But what I notice the most is that it looks like because his arm muscles are so tight, the driver never releases resulting in a slice. Then he tries to fix it by releasing the club more THEN he hits it left. But somehow while his back is hurting and can't swing 110%, all of a sudden he is hitting fairways. Now that is just my opinion.

That's true but let me ask a question. What happens when you can't hit it as long as you used to? Do you just quit? Do you keep swinging out of your shoes and missing 40-50 yards left or right? Or do you gear down and start hitting some fairways and just take a longer approach shot into the green? I don't know the answer but slicing right or pull hooking left can't be the answer. I know with the current long hitters if you don't get it out there you are at a severe disadvantage but hell if you can't hit a fairway you don't even have a chance.

When he was hurting and couldn't swing out of his shoes with his driver? I heard somebody say that he hits everything straight but his driver and that is only because he is trying to keep pace with the young guys getting it out there 300+. I've heard several people say if he stopped swinging so damned hard all the time he could control his driver and Tiger SHOULD KNOW BETTER but his pride won't let him gear down. Opinions?

I think Ricky shanked one or almost shanked one at the end but it wasn't really that bad. Tiger had some tee shots that were WAAAAAAYYYY offline. Some random dude didn't carry the pond and dropped one right in the drink with a wedge (Pretty bad for a pro with a wedge) In my opinion Tiger hit plenty of bad tee shots, However, I haven't watched the entire thing yet so I don't yet have an opinion on who hit the worst shot that was televised.

There is absolutely nothing hard to answer about this question. I mean, my god, I wasn't asking anybody to be perfect to the 100th decimal place because it's your college final and you need this to graduate. It wasn't meant to be a research project. It's just a discussion point on a discussion board. I was just simply asking who YOU THOUGHT would hit the worst shot at the championship. Jesus guys, really? What if I had asked who you thought was the best basketball player during the 80, 90s? Would somebody come back and say "Well that's a hard question to answer" or "That is a bogus question". How about this one? Who will have the toughest defense in the NFL this year? Is that too vague? Is that bogus? It's the exact same thing.

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I guess if it's not My god, is it really that serious? I mentioned above that I'm talking about shots that will be shown during the coverage. Why the %$#!% would I be talking about a shot that nobody will see?

I have always suffered from back spasms since an injury to my lower spine at an early age. Funny thing about spasms forming in the lower back is that you can be strong with a full range of motion and then all of a sudden it catches and your back goes completely out. You can't walk at all, can't even stand all the way up. All I could do was lean to the side of least resistance. It can also go away suddenly but you STILL don't quite trust it. I was walking to get my mom's mail one weekend about 12 years ago and got hit with a lower back spasm and fell backwards while walking and layed in the grass for a full 30 minutes before my mom looked out the window and saw me laying out there. and as Tiger said you CANNOT TWIST past maybe 40%-50%. At least for me anyway.

Well obviously I mean a shot that we will all be able to see while watching the tv coverage. It could be a bad drive, snap hook into the water, topped ball or swing and a miss. We don't need to get too technical. Just our own humble opinions about who hit the worst shot. I personally think Phil is gonna try a big draw somewhere and it's gonna go dead straight or even fade. Rory is gonna SMASH a drive 345 that might snap hook and Tiger is definitely gonna put one OB somewhere if he plays. I should have put Bubba in there also.

Oh sorry. Those are just my top 3 choices. You can choose whomever you think.

Top 3 choices are: 1. Phil (He's always the top contender) 2. Rory (Because of his distance if he pulls one, it's gonna end up in Northwest Kentucky somewhere) 3. Tiger (for obvious reasons)

Yea, it is basically like a 1A High School Basketball team playing against a 6A team. The bigger school has more talent to choose from and sometimes the starting 5 on a 1A team wouldn't even make the roster on that 6A team. Plus as you said there is much more incentive to attract top athletes now. Back then man, people had to work to take care of families. You could not make a living playing golf like you can now.

I agree

I was talking to another guy and we were discussing the common golfing topic of who the best golfers of all time are etc. An interesting point was made in that conversation. Some of us are always trying to say that when the older legends played the field was so strong and the golfers today could never compete with them. This gentleman said that yes they were great players, in their time. Yes they were great putters, during their time. They were great green readers, during their time but let's not be silly and elevate them above the exceptional athletes we have today. He gave an analogy of football players then vs today. Those players were great, back THEN but put them on a field with these guys now and they don't even finish the season. That is IF they can even make the team. He was saying the same with the great golfers of Jack's time and before. These guys were the best of the best THEN but not the best of the best NOW. The baseball pitchers that were so scary then, their pitches are softballs to these guys now. They'll get home run records broke on them with the current group of big hitters currently crowding the strike zone. Remember the basketball greats in 1960s? Jerry Lucas, Bob Pettit, Walt Bellamy hell even Wilt Chamberlain! Those guys ain't getting it done like that in the current NBA. Chamberlain might still be good but he isn't making 100 in no game period! As far as golf, yea I know people will say, "It's about intelligence to play the game and accuracy" and all that but I think as time goes on, we will breed even smarter and even more accurate golfers. Oh yea, they will be more fit and hit the ball further on top of all that. We get better at EVERYTHING as time goes on. Doctors today are BETTER. Hell, our Nurses today are better than the doctors were just a short time back. Our second and third tier golfers today who don't even have a PGA win could probably compete on some of those sundays. Ok, I'm done so let the insults fly!!!!!

So is this what VJ was so pissed about? Giving other players who were exposed as using some sort of drugs a chance (and even an out, dare we say) but feeding him to the wolves without a thought and without properly researching it? I'm just guessing that's why he was so mad.

I think he just needed reps.

If Tiger could have just managed par on those bogey holes and that double he would be tied for the lead or leading I think. In his past Tiger never made many bogeys. His good shots are good but he needs to stop those bogey holes. Hell, the first bogey on #1 NEVER should have happened. That SHOULD have been birdie and definitely at least a par.

Well I gave this guy the $25 before I made my drives to put in the pot. I didn't think 4 guys were crooks on a golf course but then again who knows. I was thinking maybe this is a type of running pot kind of like some of the golf gambling games. If nobody wins the hole it carries over to the next hole (greenies). I don't know, I guess I was being stupid.

I was passing through Greenville, SC about a month ago I think and was staying at this hotel and played "The Preserve" formerly called "Verdae Greens" I think. Anyway it's more of a ball placement course for most of the holes and not really a big driver course I would say so yea it can be hard if you are not accurate off the tee at least on the front 9. Anyway I played the front 9 and made the turn and came up on this 4some on the 10th tee. I sat there and watched them hit 2 balls each and I guess I was getting noticeably irritated when one on the guys teed up a third ball. They told me they were betting who could drive the green and they all had $25 riding on it from the white tees. The hole was straight downhill with a big bunker on the front left of it. They said since they were holding me up I could get in on the bet. Everybody gets 3 shots. I teed the ball up and drove the green but my first ball hit the green and rolled over. The other 2 shots missed left and right but still reached. Anyway none of them even reached the green and I thought I'd won. Guess what? Nobody won. They said since my ball didn't stay on the green I didn't win either and I lost 25 bucks. I think I was the sucker who paid for their drinks later. Somehow I don't think this was their first time doing this.

I guess I really need to learn this shot then. The problem is every time I open the face and try to blast it, the bounce catches the sand and I blade the ball right into the lip or directly into the wall of the bunker. I thought we are supposed to use the bounce but when I do it just glides across the sand and blades the ball. And god help me if the sand is not soft and fluffy then it's IMPOSSIBLE for me altogether.

I'm no good at this game for real so this is a question... So what you are saying is that you can hit a higher shot with a sandblast that an open-faced chip shot? Once gain, I'm not being funny, I'm truly asking.

Yes I guess that is one way to look at it. I think maybe I just don't like Faldo. He just rubs me the wrong way 90% of the time for some reason. Him and miller that is.

I have it recorded and I'm watching it also. They weren't laughing in amazement because he put it on the green. They were laughing before and after that. Also making jokes about which way they thought the next tee shot was going. Yes they eventually stopped but I thought the jokes were in poor taste.