I purchased a set of the AP2s mid-way through last winter and could not be happier with them. I was playing Cleveland CG4s prior to the Titleist purchase. These irons did lower the ball flight, much in part to the Project X shafts. They sincerely made me a better player. The feedback was much better than my previous set, but still allowed some forgiveness. I demoed all types of irons before I made the purchase. These clubs are the best! However, with that said, you need to get what works best for you. Who knows, maybe you'll really like the Cleveland reds, but I'd be surprised to hear that people choose those over the AP2s on a regular basis. At the end of the day the AP2s are a much better club IMHO. Good luck with whatever decision you make