dufferifick

day 2 40 balls just swing no thought loose with no tension impact geometry.

that was a secret!🙂

ok, sorry if I insulted you. But I just reread Hogan's downswing chapter and didn't see where he said he pushed off with his right foot. and I tried to keep the discussion relevant to the op's questions/statement; about keeping the club face square to the swing arc.....which is what the D plane is all about, well at least at impact.

the implications were there, don't be coy exactly what made you think of that?

another one that can't read!

I think his secret was he discovered the D Plane before it became a thing. His stance allowed 1 swing to put the low spot where it needed to be. He didn't have to chase different swings for different clubs. That thousand balls a day....he probably enjoyed. He knew where the ball would go.

2/25/223 I use 7 iron for working on particular items. Today was working on trail arm "down" working on aggressive transition and down and thru working on imagining/seeing club path and duplicate with out thought and free loose swing, no tension Total 60 balls with 7 iron; last 20 were speed and no thinking. 40 balls with 8 iron, same, speed and no thinking. 20 balls 5 iron, same, speed and no thinking.

and/or meaning kind of what TGM means when they say "educated hands"

you seem to agree the the pelvis has to act against something. I said quasi. "This is where you get into the weeds a bit with words like "torque of the pelvis." if the pelvis rotates, it creates torque "Rory slows his shift before the club gets outside of his trail foot during the takeaway. He slows his torque around halfway back. Well before the transition." the torque of the hips at transition rotation towards the downswing, not during back swing. During backswing he loads the trail foot getting ready for transition. sorry, using caps for emphasis. got no animosity towards anyone, just really don't know why anyone would think I am a "push off" proponent.

I am saying that the trail foot, at the initialization of the downswing, Transition, exerts force on the Earth thereby creating a QUASI push off. I don't think it's actually a push off tho, as I have said. It's just a back stop for the torque of the pelvis to brace against. If your trail foot is gimpy, IT MIGHT affect your swing, as the announcers were alluding to. I don't think they meant he pushed off ALL THE WAY THRU THE DOWNSWING....but the may have and if so they are wrong on that IMO I THINK THEY USED THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY ALSO, BUT its a throwback to the old terminology. I have never stated that I thought golfers pushed off. Other people here continue to put those words in my mouth.

how are you gonna see someone pushing off at the initialization of the transition???

FEET plural for foot. Includes both feet. Left and right. Foot is attached to the leg. Guys, listen to what I am saying. I am NOT saying "Push off". I don't like the terminology of "push off" either. I never have. I say the feet, including trail foot, exerts pressure on the Earth. The body uses that pressure as an anchor. If that anchor is not there, the pelvis turn would not be AS EFFICIENT as it is; I DO NOT advocate that the trail foot CONTINUES to apply any force AFTER the initialization of the transition. Never have.

" To maximise the golfers ability to create large amounts of rotational speed begins with the player driving their feet into the ground in order to transfer force through the kinetic chain and onto the golf club. (Chu, Y 2010) Ground reaction forces of up to 2.0 x bodyweight have been observed when hitting long irons and driver. (Hume et al 2005)" Kinematics that's what Newton's third law has to do with it.

I purposely try to tuck the trail arm elbow. Something I read somewhere I guess😀 Will have to experiment a bit.

there was nothing to work out. I was just asking what some swing thoughts were.

sorry folks, I don't see a problem. About 41 shots in session just ended.

lmao. bye folks.

it's not impact strike quality I'm looking for. It's repeatability. I am completely satisfied with my impact/strike quality when done as I want. I am 69 now and hit the ball further than I ever have. I am completely satisfied with ~160 yard 8 iron. It's not tour quality but it's probably better than most weekend hackers. I guess someone sharing/searching for others swing thoughts is a sign of incompetence. Nevermind folks. You guys have fun!

it's the whole inside of my trail foot. I know when I swing, the trail foot actively resists the pressure from the leg unloading. Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. enuf!

I aim to go to town. I didn't say I was going to take the car. When I said aim(my mistake) I meant that was my aim by the way I set up....to control where low point coincided and that's where I visualize the club going. I don't have any cross hairs on my clubs.😀 Money is the other excuse. want more? I have very limited internet bandwidth; live in country and at mercy of limited services. I worked on my swing all last summer until I hurt my shoulder in a construction accident in October. I worked on simulator at least 2 hours a day and increased my irons by 2 clubs and driver to 280(was 245). I'm 69 and 5'6" so easy speed don't come my way. I'm willing to work on it, but the instructors I HAVE BEEN TO want to redo from start and I AIN'T DOING THAT. I'm just now able to swing a club good and healthy again just asking folks for some insight, kinda like what Vinsk posted.

Really, did you read saevel25's posts? In October, I tore the heck out of my shoulder, could hardly lift it without great pain. Just now hitting some balls again.

that's just where I plan to hit. I don't really AIM at it. I know/see the path I want and set up for it. I try not to think about ONE THING during swing, just try to swing intended path. Don't have a youtube channel and not gonna start one. I'm too old and 70 miles away from nearest instructors anyway. It works.....a high percentage of time. Just looking for some ideas to increase the percentage, hopefully

na. too old to start that. so, you don't plan for low spot in swing? interesting.

I was just agreeing with what natureboy said. Maybe great for beginners, not so much for people wanting more.

I have already "backed away" from pushing off in my first post. I just can't follow not being able to not back off in a thread about questioning why people advocate it. That was the whole idea behind thread...to back off of using "push off". I was referencing to jpg above the statement; mid swing. both legs are still bent so is the target side not doing any work? I don't think you push of per se. I know I feel pressure on the big toe to the heel on inside of the trail leg during transition. If he shifted "already to the right" that means the right leg is doing some work. To get back to his left side there is a shift of weight and I don't think JUST THE LEAD LEG DOES ALL OF THE WORK; just enough to get started into transition. More of a flow instead of push. I think we are saying ALMOST the same thing, except I believe the trail leg does a bit of work...not just a whole lot, but some. I don't thnk it's completely passive. IF I had to hazard a guess, it'd be 15% or so(maybe more maybe less), after that, yep, it's along for the ride.