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Well, you guys keep claiming it is all b.s., but yet it keeps rearing its head over and over again. This time from a professional golfer. Everyone is just out to get the guy, huh?

It was only a matter of time before these reports surfaced. It will only be a matter of time before this is accepted as fact with one Tiger Woods.

Wordsmithing at its finest Erik. The entire point is that what goes for gospel truth here doesn't fly elsewhere, and I believe that has been born out. You can word smith all you want, but it doesn't change anything. And my feelings aren't hurt either. Not by you or your little lackies.

Distinction noted.

Please. You are playing word games. I am not trying to misrepresent anything here. I know you are going to play word games. I know you are going to dissect. It is what you do. Any attempt to mislead would be easily recognized. 24% of Tour Players polled when article was written said they thought he used PED's 59% of golfers who were polled felt he used PED's 21% out of a whole 64 voters here at TST "believe" he may have used PED's People are not stupid. They know that results vary depending on who or where the question is asked. Or even how the question is asked. No one is being dishonest, so that claim is specious even for you, turtleback.

I was being charitable. The question was whether or not golfers thought he used them. 59% responded yes. The point being that the number of people who believe he may have, or actually did, use them can be a LOT higher depending on where that question is asked. TST = 21% Huffpo = 59%

I saw the distinction. The headline and lead sentance didn't exactly match what came after, but since you mention it let us lay it out more precisely. 24% of Tour Players at the time the article was written believed Tiger may have done PED's 59% of golfers believe Tiger may have done PED's

Agree. For me it would depend on the pin placement.

I do in fact do something like this. I'll give them one press, but I limit it to the front side only and only at exactly 2 holes down. They can take it that one time and then only. If they forgo the press, then they don't get to exercize it later and they never get to press on the back side. My logic is that if you are unhappy trailing by four or five holes, then play better. And if you don't like the bet, then don't take it.

It is ironic that the head line of that huffpo article (written years ago) says that 24% of golfers believe that Tiger used PED's, but the current poll result shows the number who believe it is up to a whopping 59%. That is a majority now. This flies in the face of those here who are ridiculing us for the belief it is possible. Equally ironic is that virtually every time people get all heated up defending Tiger around here, one national voice or another brings him up in an unflattering light. The other day it was Tiki Barber and his radio side kick on CBS Sports Radio. Today it is Don Imus who decided to react to yesterday's A-Rod non apology-apology. Whatever anyone thinks of Imus, he has a national radio audience of about 2.25 million listeners + his Fox Business TV viewing audience that would have heard this. So how does this involve Tiger? It involves Tiger because right after he called A-Rod a pretty derogatory term he brimngs up Lance Armstrong and, you guessed it, Tiger Woods. Then the 6 people on his panel jumped on the two of them as well, meaning Lance and Tiger, with a debate about which of the three is the phoniest (they used a far worse term) athlete in the world. The segment lasted several minutes. This is what is happening when you actually broaden your horizon beyond TST. Maybe if we wear blinders we can pretend this stuff never happens.

You must be a miond reader Erik, because you continually claim to know how people feel about Tiger Woods. Kinda weak. The guy is a golfer to me, no more or less. And again, this isn't a trial so no opne needs "evidence". Like the other gentleman, I don't have Pics. Guess that is proof it never happened, huh? LOL. You guys started the thread asking people what they believe. Now you know. Well waddya know! I said the same thing and you went off on me. Too funny.

It isn't just shorter recovery times, it is also: lessened fatigue and increased stamina and endurance. increased mental acuity and endurance Consider that even video gamers are starting to discuss how to regulate PED's, you know that certain PED's aid in this way. Take Adderall, for example. In 2012 there were mopre NFL suspensions for Adderall than any other drug, and Adderall is specifically designed to help increase mental awareness. Lance Armstrong also claimed to have pushed for stronger testing, and he sang from the Mountains he rode on that he was the most tested athlete in the world. He is a primary reason I stopped listening to athletes claiming innocense on this subject. Too many have cried wolf to fall for that nonsense. BTW, the Tour's version of PED testing is a joke. In Feb. 2013 54 Tour players, 25% of the Tour, were asked when they were last tested "off site". Turns out none of them had ever once been tested "off site". Contrast that to any NCAA or Olympic athlete. I love Golf, but the Tour's testing policies are a total joke.

Finchem was asked about Tiger's name being on that list. I think Finchem decided it best to not reveal anyone's name on the list. Why not just end all the speculation? Just a hunch, because that list is held by others too. Funny how Tiger won his last major in mid June 2008 in the event just prior to testing on the PGA Tour. Then he wins his last PGA event of any kind right about when the knowledge of that Biogenesis list surfaces. You can't make this stuff up.

I don't believe people think Tiger did or may have done PED's based so much on performance increases as they believe it because he was being treated b y a known PED and HGH dispenser like Galea. It is guilt through association. This wouldn't hold up in trial, but how else do you think investigators find PED abusers? They find their names on lists of people being treated by known peddlers like Galea and Lindsay. Here is something else to consider while thinking it totally impossible that Tiger could have possibly done anything. Look at how Tiger's own story on this has changed. When first asked about Galea and Lindsay it was 3 or 4 visits. It later became 14 visits. Only after a Florida Dept of :Public Health Investigation revealed additional information it ended up being 63 visits. Why did Tiger not just tell the whole story from day 1? ".