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I thought that in this case the homeowners bought the property before the golf course was built. Or there was some sort of change by the course that put the residence “in harms way”

I was referring to the typo “birthing” or thinking it was a typo. 😂

Not a doctor. Wouldn’t be able to help with birthing. @StuM But I know what you mean. And “nope” I wouldn’t take the bait.

@Maroon88 I’ve been thinking about this a lot more. Here are my thoughts. If my ball ends up within someone’s backyard. And it’s within a few yards of the property line and I can see it, I’ll retrieve it if I can do so without interrupting anything. Otherwise, I’m moving on If my ball causes property damage of any sorts it’s on me and I should pay. If there are kids selling lemonade I’ll always buy some.

Stupid autocorrect. Well played @StuM

Nah. Keeps everyone on their tows. Trust but verify

This is so much fun. A few quick points. First, the easement grants access to golfers to retrieve errant golf balls on unimproved areas. It’s fair to say that golf balls that damage multiple windows, fill a child’s swimming pool, and enter other finished areas are not subject to the easement. Apparently golf balls hit the house over 600 times in the course of 4-5 years. Second, and please correct me if I’m wrong as I haven’t read the court opinion. But my understanding is that it was remanded for a new trial because of faulty jury instructions regarding regarding whether or not the club tee boxes and fairway were reasonably operated. So the easement is not the issue Finally, this is definitely a win for the family. The CC can try again but they know the damages could be $5M. The news I saw didn’t describe how damages were established but I hope they consider diminution in value of the property. After all. How much could you sell the house for knowing these problems exist. Damages could be higher or could be lower if they choose to spin the trial wheel again

Yes. Overturned and remanded for a new trial. Do you have an update on the new trial?

I hear what you’re saying about golf store greens but presumably it would be something of higher quality. For example, I had a Pelz artificial green installed at my last house. It was amazing.

If you’re buying a house already on a golf course, then the homeowner knows the risk — a lot like you can’t buy a house near an airport and then complain about the noise. But I’m not sure that completely absolves the hitter from any liability. If I put up a fence, and the golfer decides to climb over it, that’s clearly trespassing. But let’s be honest. If you’re a golfer and you manage to cause property damage the right thing to do is to offer to pay for the repair or at least a portion of it. But don’t forget in 2022 a family won $5M from Indian Pond country club because balls kept landing in their yard. So the family couldn’t really enjoy their backyard etc. In that case, however, the course was built after the homes were already there. So the designer was negligent and the club found liable

I definitely take the view that I want reviews from multiple sources. I’m also reluctant (actually refuse) to purchase things via direct mail or where I can only try one brand (PXG). About a year ago I did a full bag fitting at True Spec and found that the most helpful. Pricey … but helpful

Thank you to everyone who’s responded. Your thoughts have been very helpful. I should have mentioned that many times I’m trying to use reviews to reduce the number of choices. For example, if I’m looking for a new gps / club tracker do I go with Arccos, Garmin, SureShot, etc Or same idea with drivers — short of a fitting — can I get down to two or three clubs that I can borrow from the pro shop.

Lately I’ve been going through various golf equipment reviews, and the cynic in me says all of the reviews are biased because websites want advertisers etc. So while I’ve looked at Golf Digest, Golf, Golf WRX, MyGolfSpy, LeftRough, etc it’s hard to tell if the reviews are biased. Obviously, the subjective elements are opinion and opinions differ. In your opinion (appreciating the irony) are there any websites that offer unbiased and objective reviews? Thanks in advance

Good to know

Ah! Thanks.

Hey @Vespidae what’s LSW? Sorry. Newbie to the group here.

Hey @Vespidae not offering an opinion in your routine but for comparison here is mine. I tend to break things down type of club or swing so I can “get deep” in one area. I also do the same warm up routine before practice as I do before a round. Day 1: Driver/Fairway Wood/Hybrids - First third for all clubs is focusing on setup, grip, alignment stick, core rotation, etc for each shot. Second third is max speed. Final third for driver is 80% swing to really get consistent shot shape and direction. Day 2: Irons - Full Swing - First third is mid iron focusing on fundamentals and square contact Second third around 5-6 shots with each iron. Final third long irons at 80-90% (focus area for me). Day 3: Wedges (Full swing) / Putting Day 4: Chipping / Pitching / Putting Wedges, Chipping, Pitching, is all about consistency for me. So I’ll work each club 5-10 strokes and see what the carry and distance is. I’ll work both regular grip and choked up. Generally for putting I want ten in a row at 5’. Anything longer and I just want to get within 5’

This how you coach your players too? Hahaha.

@billchao Completely agree! Celebrities raising awareness about disasters is great, and saying they’ll pledge money is a sign of “putting my money where my mouth is”. Hurricane Katrina had a ton of celebrities stepping up. Of course there’s a tax benefit to Colin just like any of us who make charitable gifts and there should be. For every dollar we donate to charity, it’s one less dollar we have of our own, and one less dollar the government needs to support charities indirectly. Keep in mind the tax benefit isn’t a full dollar, it’s based on your tax rate. So a $1 donation might reduce your taxes by. 30-40 cents. The tax benefit rewards certain social behaviors.

Completely agree! Full disclosure — I’m not a doctor. Just someone with an opinion. Hahah

I agree with you. For some courses it may make sense to use artificial greens. My guess is that like many things golf “purists” won’t like them. But this happened in pro baseball and football too. I can imagine that a high quality putting surface placed over sand could have a lot of the characteristics of real grass.

Actually yes. I played on one in Edina MN. I’m sure it can’t be the only one.

Well not my responsibility to prove this is real or fake. I’m just sharing something that the PGA Tour site tweeted and I saw in AppleNews. No way I could say whether or not this is the Bear’s Club by appearances

I don’t think so. The follow up story was that that the Head Pro at Bear Club, where this incident took place, has banned the child in the viral video of his meltdown. The Pro said there will also be “$5,000 of property damage fines” enforced.

At my first house I put in a Pelz surface in my backyard because we couldn’t grow grass in the area. The house recently went back on the market so I went to look at the green. After 10+ years of Chicago winters and summers it was still in great shape. It was also really easy to maintain so I can see how smaller courses could benefit from something like this. Also, didn’t Tiger Woods just put in a huge miniature golf place in Florida all with artificial turf?