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I will soon have AP2's with X 5.5 shafts in my hands...

I have never had a "club fitting" done before... What does it entail? Services performed? Cost? Who should do it, local shop (very small but they do it, $65 and they cant adjust L&L;) or golf galaxy?? Special Tee and Golf?

Thanks for the input.

Whats in my Ozone stand bag

Driver: SQ Sumo² Square 10.5°
3 wood : SQ Sumo² 15°
Irons : AP2 3-PWWedge: RAC 52°Wedge: Vokey Oil Can 58°Putter: Rossa Monte Carlo


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I will soon have AP2's with X 5.5 shafts in my hands...

If it were me, I'd stay away from any Dick's, Golf Galaxy, Pro Golf or any store like it.

Depending on who's working at your "local shop," I would probably stay away from them as well. I would go to to a Class A PGA Professional who is an expert club fitter. Ask around and see if you hear of anyone that is good in your area or do some Google searches and try to find someone. You can expect them to let you hit off of a lie board, hit different shafts, different club heads, get the correct length and possibly swing weight and maybe even recommend the ball you should be playing. I would definitely try to go somewhere that you can actually see the ball flight and no just hit into a net. Are you buying your AP2's and then going to get fitted? If that's the case, I would probably go get fitted and try out as many models as you can before making the decision. May be something out there that fits you better. Hope that helps.

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Just curious...what's wrong with Golf Galaxy and the like?? Not sure about the others but Golf Galaxy's employ PGA Professionals, one for each store, as far as I know. I was thinking of getting the local pro at GG to do my fitting...so help me out here.

In the bizzag...

Driver--TaylorMade Burner 9.5*
3W--TaylorMade Burner 15*
Hybrid--TaylorMade Burner Rescue 19*Irons--Maltby KE4 Tour(4-PW)Wedges--Cleveland CG14(52,56,60)Putter--Wilson CI1Ball--Nike One Platinum


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Just curious...what's wrong with Golf Galaxy and the like?? Not sure about the others but Golf Galaxy's employ PGA Professionals, one for each store, as far as I know. I was thinking of getting the local pro at GG to do my fitting...so help me out here.

Well we don't have a Golf Galaxy close, but in my experience the "professionals" at those types of stores do not much about the golf swing. If I'm going to spend the money to get fitted, I would definitely go to a course with a Class A Pro who also is an expert club fitting. I've heard so much crap come from "professionals" at retail stores like that, that I don't listen to much of anything they have to say. Most of what they say is simply to make the sell. Assuming the golf galaxy does have a capable PGA Professional who would be fitting you, the other downfall that would keep me from going there is hitting into the net or video screen. You can only see and feel so much by hitting into a screen and if you ask me, the feel of an iron feels completely different off of a mat indoors than it does outside taking a divot from actual turf. If Golf Galaxy is your only option in your area, then it's probably better than nothing, but if you have other options I'd go for them. Just my opinion though from past experiences.

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I tried the PGA website, but I am not sure what a "class A" professional would be designated... can you give me a bit of guidance?

Thanks for your help..

Whats in my Ozone stand bag

Driver: SQ Sumo² Square 10.5°
3 wood : SQ Sumo² 15°
Irons : AP2 3-PWWedge: RAC 52°Wedge: Vokey Oil Can 58°Putter: Rossa Monte Carlo


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I tried the PGA website, but I am not sure what a "class A" professional would be designated... can you give me a bit of guidance?

Yeah the PGA of America website isn't much help is it? Doesn't really list if they're class A status or not. Basically class A just means that they have put in the time as an apprentice under a Class A professional, put in the time in the classroom, etc and have earned class A status. There is more that goes into it like course management stuff but that's the gist of it.

Might be your best option to just call around in your area to some of the nicer golf courses and inquire about what their capabilities are. If you want to make the trip down to Lexington, the folks at Man O War Golf will fix you right up.

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