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Well we'll know if they have a chance with that first group. Spieth/JT has been a great combo over the years, but Spieth in Foursomes is a tough one. JT played by himself the entire back 9 in four ball. If Spieth plays like that in foursomes, they'll be done by Hole 13. If they can get a point in that match though, they could be a good spot. Koepka/Scottie are favored in their match, and the other two are toss ups. At a minimum they need to cut the lead to 2.5-3 by the end of the day tomorrow. That's pretty much the inflection point IMO. Better than that and they have a really good shot going into Sunday. Worse than that and it's probably over.
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Agreed all around. That last spot (especially for the morning) is debatable. I would have just had Clark, but he really folded on 17 & 18. It is what it is, but again there's 20 points still up for grabs, and the US again is the favorite in singles just on depth of talent (obviously can change depending on how matchups shake out). Hopefully these guys go back, and come out pissed off at the performance today. The good news is that I don't think the Euros can play as out of their minds as they did today (Rahm holed out an insane amount today). The bad news is that they don't have to play that well to win it at this point.
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It will be interesting to see how the US responds. They need to go back regroup, and come out with a lot more fire than what they showed today. If I'm ZJ, I'm loading up that morning session tomorrow with my top players across the board. You can't play Spieth in the morning session but I'd roll out your best combos of the following: Scottie Brooks Cantlay Xander Homa Morikawa JT Clark/Rickie (I would have went just Clark here, but he really folded at the end today) Frankly I think you need to roll that out (maybe go back to Spieth for 4 ball) in the afternoon as well. Harman and Burns need to sit tomorrow IMO.
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There's 20 points left the next two days. I think the US is still a pretty big favorite in singles, as they're much stronger top to bottom. They also only need 14 vs. 14.5 to retain the cup. Also this camera work on 18 is awful.
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Well JT could go 0-for the rest of the way and his pick was justified. He just played 1 on 2 for 18 holes against the guy arguably playing the best golf on the Euro team right now, and took half a point, and nearly a full point.
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Well I think the JT pick controversy is put to bed regardless of how this turns out. Having to come out down 4-0 in a must win match, and he's pretty much single handedly fending off Hovland/Hatton who are playing well. I'd also add, in any sport, if you're going to be down big, it's better to be down big early.
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Literally GC right now "I just don't know why Monahan has done a 180 seemingly overnight?" Hello, because it was NEVER his stance, it was just the only angle he had to attack a rival golf league so he took the stance and mandated the media minions to push it. It's easy to do a complete 180 when you were really already facing the other direction....
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Do you think it's a coincidence that this has been the main criticism put forth by the PGA Tour and the media and everyone is here has gobbled it up? Prior to Spring/Summer of 2022, were all of you adamant opponents of Saudi Arabia and their human rights issues? We're literally all here posting about this right now because the entire argument was proven today to be complete farce as the PGA Tour does a 180 in less than a year. You've all been caught up in an argument produced to protect the moat around the PGA Tour and still don't even realize it.
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The implication is that SA's human rights issues have been one of (if not THE) weapon to attack LIV and all those who made the jump by the PGA Tour, the media (in an effort to keep their golden goose happy), and players/fans who have gobbled up that narrative. While I appreciate where you're coming from and your point, it's not black or white. Where do you draw the line? I'm not sure, but it's not a stretch to say if you have a problem with SA and human rights, you would certainly have to have the same issues with China. There may be a line but it's not between SA and China.
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Anyone can care about whatever they want. However, I can certainly call out the dissonance in caring about SA and its issues, while happily ignoring others. You're correct that if you go far enough down the rabbit hole you can find anything. For me personally, I choose to simply view this through the lens of golf as everything else becomes a slippery slope.
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It may still be compelling. It's certainly not as good as it was pre-LIV. The fields simply aren't as good, and there's really no argument to make there. My first post simply said that the PGA Tour was a far better product in 2021 than either the PGA or LIV have been since. Would you argue otherwise?
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I'm fine if that's your stance. Here is the problem with that.... You can't have selective virtue. You can't condemn SA and anyone who associates with SA, then turn a blind eye to the PGA Tour pushing partnerships with China, who certainly has plenty of their own human rights issues. So if you're going to go down that road, go all the way down that road. You should have bailed on the PGA Tour 5 years ago and this LIV situation wouldn't even matter.
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Meh, you're hoping that we continue to have two watered down versions of professional golf, with only 4 true tournaments a year? There is no denying that the PGA Tour in 2021 was far more compelling than LIV or PGA Tour in 2022 and beyond.
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Ha, good luck with that. Why should they pay a fine? The two (three actually) entities are now one and the same. They aren't "coming back" any more than the PGA/DP Tour players are "going to" LIV. Even if in a moment of complete brain loss they tried to "fine" these guys it would never hold up in a court. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they figure out a way to compensate all players, or at the very least the top players that stayed on the PGA Tour and passed on the big paydays. It won't, however, be coming from the pockets of the guys who left for LIV. Honestly I think this was inevitable. At some point this was going to happen, or at the very least the PGA Tour was going to be forced to evolve and the end result would be a better set up overall. I also believe that the performance of the LIV guys in the first couple of majors this year certainly played a factor in the speed of this move. Rahm won the masters but the top of the leaderboard was littered with LIV guys, then Koepka won the PGA. DJ wins the US Open and that's a pretty bad look for the PGA Tour who was adamant that it had the vastly superior talent. Reality is LIV was the best thing that ever happened to these players. The guys who took the money got generational money for their families, and the guys that stuck around got large pay increases via the PIP money and the elevated events. Not to mention that the fields were watered down with the LIV guys gone. It's not a coincidence that there were 5 guys who had won multiple tourneys before the calendar turned to May this year. Every one of these players should be grateful that the LIV tour was created, as they're all vastly wealthier for it.
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