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I would agree if you're going for distance throwing - but in essence you are throwing the club head at the ball right in front of you. Edwin's swing is much easier to do that with, and yes, it has a less powerful ceiling. However, I feel it is much more repeatable and easier, not harder, on your body if you do it right. You must keep shoulders square and hit down on the ball. That gives you a lot of bang for energy expended in the swing. Great penetrating ball flight. You really need to feel shaft load, I believe, to make it great for you. So find a shaft you can control a shorter, quicker tempo with and you can really groove this swing well. It is fantastic.

I am one of those guys, you know, the ones who know the little about a lot of different swing theories, But has been stuck at a 10 to 12 handicap for three years because I can't stick with one. Part of it Is driven by the desire to improve, which is obviously not really happening, and part of it is my personality and enjoying trying to things... Sometimes obsessively, unfortunately... Unless you are a club manufacturer, then you love the hell out of me. As it happened, today I was working on more of a slicefixer swing body controlled pivot, spaghetti arms, when I re-aggravated a bad knee that I have, and almost had to quit. Welcome I should have quit, but we men are casement instinctually at times.. I thought, "hey I remembered messing around with the Gary Edwin swing at the range once a year or so ago, so what a perfect time to break it out with a bum knee just an arm / hand-driven swing, to see what I could finish out the final 5 holes with... I hit a couple mulligans off the next tee box to get used to a quick easy snap arm swing, and I could not believe, especially with short irons, how long my ball was still traveling. Probably less effective with longer irons because it felt very steep, but I did hit three hybrids well in the final holes. I was shocked, and since my knee needs a new ACL, I think I will just play with this the rest of the year until surgery if I can just get back to hobbling. I could not believe how well I was hitting the ball and I was not even taking the club back past 9 o'clock. I lost maybe 5 to 10 yards over my full swing, in part perhaps due to the ease of delofting the club with the new wrist snap, but I finished par 5 18 with a 100 yard LW which is stock for me normally anyway. stuck it to 10 feet and hobbled off. Oh, thanks in part to ease of hands leading clubhead feel, delofting of course granted the added benefit a more boring trajectory, very punchy. I am going to explore with this while my knee is bad the rest of the season so I will let people know how it progresses, in case they are still interested in this right sided swing feedback (we nerds are), but I was shocked at the power I was getting slapping the ball with my arms and hands only. Of course that is just a feeling, the common misconception always being that just because you are not thinking of your big muscles you must not be using them, but you have to be using them, because they support your skeletal system.

NVM, Martin.. I figured it out on another viewing - nothing to do with winding, obviously.. I was directing the 'energy' in the wrong direction.. When I direct it in the way you show in the video - wow.. now I'm hitting straight balls out of the driving range.. have never hit one out of the park.. I have never hit the ball with this much 'smash' so easily.. and I might be the world's worst swing tinkerer. Thanks for the video. I know everybody can benefit from the video, but I really think this gives decent mid-cappers whose ballstriking is holding them back the keys to the low-capper kingdom..

might be shaft flex too weak - I have the same issue, I hit a tight rocket draw with my RBZ 18.5* Speeder 757, but often feels like a high 'block' with my Rapture V2 Diamana White 63g. I'm starting to suspect the shaft in the V2 might need a little more heft, but I don't hit driver half as well as my hybrids, so I dunno..

Martin, I purchased your video and have enjoyed multiple viewings. One thing I notice is that if I wind the 'hulk' way, I generally get a big power fade quite easily without conscious clubhead 'release'. If I wind the 'alternate' way, I generally get a right-to-left flight. Lower, probably due to a more easily bowed left wrist? Do you find that typical? I tried implementing it on the course yesterday (switching feels for shot shape) and did not have much success (unlike the range with multiple attempts to get 'feel'). Probably a bad idea? Both methods work at the range for me however, with a few swings to switch. Felt like I got a little more pop from the 'hulk' windup. Easy full (75% or so) wedge swings were the biggest boon - felt like Freddie Couples tempo, with massive smash, no effort, greenfinders.. Any tips for hitting a draw from the 'hulk' windup? Should I be focusing on release, or just angle of attack, or something else?

I respectfully disagree.. increased clubhead speed = less reliance on timing and more solid strikes. This move will increase clubhead speed for most players.

Perfect explanation. In fact, I now believe that is the biggest difference between great players and low-to-mid cappers. It is not the athleticism, it is the feel. This explains why some swings look good but cannot perform solid ballstriking / impact, while others are the opposite. I tried the 'pizza dough' feel at the range a la Ayers, and it did feel like a float load - except, the places I felt torque / pressure were DIFFERENT than my less powerful (but look decent to an instructor) swings, and the ballflight difference was unmistakable, most likely due to angle of attack and clubhead speed that comes from torquing the muscles in a more efficient fashion accomplishes. I simply pulled the pizza dough to the top (as in an Ayers YouTube vid, so I am not giving away anything), which gave me a big turn without feeling a turn, but kept me centered over the ball. Then it is just returning / throwing to an expected impact. Really very easy and powerful. I only hit two buckets (yesterday), but by the end, I could get the 165 8i out of a more simple feeling swing than my previous balls-to-wall 8i swing of 155. I hit about 20 woods, and had some high fades / pushes / tops to work out. I worked them out by closing my stance slightly and getting the feeling of posting around my left leg. Then I was slamming them. Not sure how this will feel with shorter shots, short game, and wedges, so I reserve that for future judgement. The feeling of leverage in this action is unmistakeable. I can't wait to try and put this into my previous swing 'feel breakthrough' which was pulling my left lat into impact in more of what some would call a single-plane action. Why people complain so much about golf swing unorthodoxy is unproductive. Innovation requires change. Statists only stunt their own growth by refusing to acknowledge new breakthroughs in teaching and playing golf. Keep your persimmon swing thoughts if you must - but don't knock people for trying out the new metalwoods of golf swing theory and instruction. Whether we all implement everything Comeaux, Ayers, Maves, Edwin, Stack 'n, Tilt'n, Foley'n, Slicefixin, et al is not the point - the point is getting as many pieces of the puzzle out there for more golfers to play, tinker, and improve with for the type of swing mechanics they find suit them. I'll reckon the average handicap for students of the aforementioned (plus many missed) experience better, faster results improving their game than with some of the 'classic' models (won't name names).