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I hope not. I did do research beforehand and was looking for stronger lofts because I tend to hit the ball high. But after taking some lessons and doing more work i feel like I would do better with 45 - 48 degrees as the PW because I want to work on my 120 yard in game. But almost no wedge composition covers me completely.

A lot of newer clubs are stronger lofted. My Cobras are a 4-PW but the PW is 43 degrees. Sorry, that's a nine iron dude! Many recent TaylorMade sets stop at 45 degrees for a PW. They also throw in Gap Wedges now, but mine is just terrible. I couldn't bump and run with it if someone put a shotgun up my butt. That does contribute to longer distances in a lot of cases. A hybrid or 4 iron (most modern 4s are almost 3 irons of yesteryear...they just design them to be easier to get te ball up) is a great play on a lot of holes. I recently began a "minimum distance needed" philosophy on my home course and it helps. I always take the lesser club when I have a choice to keep my out of trouble and rely on distance to front/center of the green instead of to the pin. Off the tee, I lay back to a safe distance and never anything that leaves me a half shot. It really does work!

I would break it down as: 1 - Driving (anything off the tee, except par 3s) 2 - Layup shots (anything where you have to pick a target other than the green) 3 - Approach shots (hitting to the green) 4 - Anything under your most lofted club into the green (need to take something off or hit a 1/2, 3/4 shot) 5 - pitching / chipping / bump-n-run 6 - putting One reason I don't like breaking down between long irons and short irons is that it gives a mental stigma that longer clubs are harder to hit. There is technical merit to that, but it's best to think that any iron/hybrid in your bag is comfortable enough to hit and play the shot. Lay-up shots are strategy because they are for where you cannot reach the green so you have to think about the shot after that. Approach is all about where to miss and what to aim at to maximize your score. And most people struggle with 1/2 and 3/4 shots. It's where a lot of people can shave strokes if they are comfortable and execute well.

Someone in my Wednesday foursome is like this, but only about his golf game. I could be standing there bleeding profusely and he would tell me how he crushed his drive. Bonus round is when he gripes that he is playing terrible and going to shoot $xyz score, and it happens to be around what I am shooting that day. Perfect when he says that totally sucks. Completely oblivious guy. I started saying "I'll pray for you" when he would complain about a shot. After a few times he just glared at me.

That is very good advice and something that I do as well. I try to finish off a warm-up (If I get one) with what to expect the first hole, both off the tee and approach shot. Also, you can take it like this. If you start off bad, you should feel less pressure because you had a couple of goofs and you shouldn't put expectations on yourself going forward. Use it to take pressure off, instead of trying to make up for it...which only will add pressure. But if you get off to a good start, take it that it's going to be a good day and try to relax. The first time I broke 80, I had a magic front 9 of even par and then tripled #10. Took the pressure off because I thought I blew my round so I stopped thinking about the score. Played great from #11-18.

I belong to a private course and this is actually a terrible problem. Not if you want to play by yourself, but it slows up play and wastes times. A number of people feel entitled to play by themselves or hold times and never release them. It's come up in committee meetings. The basic feeling is that people want to be by themselves and don't want to join up, whether it's a single or twosome or threesome. When the course is not busy, it's not a big deal and I think it's ok to have people play that way. However it burns times on the weekends and early mornings and that is not ok. The pro shop used to try and pair people, but because people didnt check in properly, people ended up getting booted off the tee sheet or delayed because people might team up on their own. Since I was one of the complainers about this, I noted down times i would encourage people playing with me. This year out of 2 dozen times of trying to pair up, only twice did anyone take me up on my offer. These were all people I didn't know. Pretty sad. One time I offered with a twosome behind me and then they yelled at me for not hurrying up when I had a slow twosome in front of me.

I only tee it up if its more than a 7 iron. I used to tee everything, but I found that's hit higher irons too high and felt i was losing distance. I take a normal swing when it's teed and take a normal divot. Might be more mental than an actual issue, but hitting high irons off a nice lie off the deck works for me.

Is there a class for that somewhere? I can do classes at any time, except 11am - noon. Price is Right is on then. I imagine you have to at least know how to lie on documents and do some good acting to pull it off.

1. Daddy 2. Indifferent 3. Smart Women 4. Big egos 5. golf ball at impact 6. nail clippers 7. gdmfpos 8. scientist 9. anything medical (I don't like blood and guts) 10. Welcome home!

By themselves, they are probably not worth too much. With the signatures, I would search on eBay for something similar with his signature and see what it retails for. Most comic books printed in the last 30 years, at least, won't fetch very much at all. But autographs are tough to pin down because it's completely up to what people would be willing to pay, and it's impossible to grade that, like a known quantity for demand of a particular issue.

I echo a lot of the comments about being in a tourney == "no" and casual match == "yes". I've played with a number of people who are pretty casual with rules overall, but adhere strictly for tournament play.

I actually miss the Wilson Staff balls. The ones from 15-20 years ago that were "Titanium Distance". At the time, they felt good and I liked them a lot. Every once in a great while I find one, on the course, and play it for a few holes. I think I thought they were something special when I was a kid because they used to always use them at the "Hit the green, get a pack of balls" where you would bet $5 against hitting the green.

OMG, just found this thread. I am an IT person who has tried, tried and tried for at *least* an hour a day to be successful, but I just can't cut it. I have panic attacks when the servers go down. I think they fell into the Ethernet. or maybe wireless signals are the voices in my head. I don't know, but I want to get me a cushy life on the golf course where I can drink and the cart girls are all model quality. I am thinking of hitting 20 balls per day and playing 7 holes at my local muni. After 7 holes I get tired. How long will it take me to play on the PGA tour? And do they allow carts. Sincere answers only, please. I believe I will have a good swing since I work with computers. The typing is hard and builds up my wrists. Also the other 7 hours of my workday I am scratching my butt, so that helps with my arm/wrist strength. Man, it's hard!

A guy I used to play with (this is a private club) was a horrible social climber. Was your best friend, until someone better came along. But acts like the Mayor (when really he's Mayor McCheese). He joined an uppity sub-group in the club and I really haven't had much to do with him ever since. However, he wanted to start his own group on Wednesday and proposed having teams, big betting and a set bunch of times blocked off. Also wanted to "approve" people who played, in other words he wanted it closed. I didn't want any part of it and he kept trying to pull all these different people in for my normal Wednesday game. One day he brought two guests I was playing with them. To say they had no etiquette was being kind. Nary a ball mark or divot was fixed, and they were drinking a lot. One guy was ok, but they all were laughing and talking when I was trying to swing. Like I sadi, one guy wasn't too bad, but the other guy had too much beer (at 10am!) and kept farting. While I was swinging several times! I looked up one of the times, and he just looked back at me and smiled, and then farted again. I was actually riding with "Mr. Social Climber" and he just said "I guess I need to go over their manners". Yeah, big-time. His Wednesday group never got off the ground. He's lucky he has two other people instead of the masses he thought he would have to play on Wednesdays.

Don't dwell on it, and make sure that you play your game "for the day". That means if you are not hitting things crisp, play more defensively. If you are swinging well, play more aggressively. I've scored some really good rounds and not been swinging well because I do small things like intentionally play safer shots or even aim right/left because I keep slicing/pulling the ball. Sometimes the best birdies I've made are when I was forced to lay up on a par five, so i picked my distance and then had the shot I wanted.

Quote: [ Course Name : Treesdale Golf Club Course Website : http://www.clubcorp.com/Clubs/Treesdale-Golf-Country-Club/ Course Style : target golf, penal Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6500 / 72.5 / 142 Regular Tee Average Score : 88 Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5400 / 68.4 / 124 Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 81 Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 77 This should be very interesting. This is a tough course and I've shot everything from 81 to 100+. I'd like to see what it's like from the forward tees. Aggressive Round Score: 81 Conservative Round Score: 92 Average 7-iron Distance: 160 Notes: (a): Aggressive round was a lot more fun. (b): Two weakness high-lighted. First, hitting as far as possible puts you in gaps where you don't have a full wedge of any type. While I can dial shots down, it puts a bigger margin of error when you are doing it more in a round. Several times I hit half/three-quarter wedges and feel that I would have been closer with a full PW or 9i from where I normally hit. Second, when laying back in the conservative round, it really affected things because I didn't want to lay back and hit irons/hybrids off the tee. So I wasn't committed to the shots. Hence, a worse score than hitting everything aggressive. (c): The shorter tees put the most pressure on inside 120 yards where it can get tricky to manufacture a shot because you cannot hit a full club. (d): I would play the shorter tees again. The aggressive round was fun, and more fun than a normal round. It takes the pressure off if you are bombing it on purpose and the expectation is that you might blow up because you were being aggressive. The conservative round was one of the least fun rounds I've had this year because the expectation was that I should score really well. Taking basically every wood out of my hand, I should have kept the ball in play always and not had issues. The reverse was true. I put too much pressure because I felt I should have scored well, and I felt that I wasn't committed to the shots off the tee. So I sprayed it all over the place and ended up in bad positions on the course. (e): Commit to the shot, make sure it's what you want to do and you'll hit more good shots. The score will take care of itself. (f): I nailed the Aggressive round. I figured I would take several shots off, and I picked 81 because I figured if it got close I would still wiz it trying to break 80. That's exactly what happened. I was going to shoot 77, but blew up on 17 and just missed breaking 80. I figured if I swung as well as I did on the aggressive round, with hitting hybrids and irons off the tees I would easily do better. The opposite was true. I didn't want to hit those shots, and because of that the shorter clubs left me in terrible positions and I couldn't make many pars. I guessed 77 and I ended up with a 92. After awhile, I just didn't want to continue because I thought I should have been doing so much better. Overall, I would do this again. But I would change what the mindset is for the conservative round. Instead of trying to get a little past where I normally am, I would hit 3-woods and hybrids and be moderately aggressive. The aggressive round was one of the most fun rounds I had all year.

I've played this one and the afore mentioned Farmstead course in NC/SC. I think apple mountain needs to update this for more modern times. I didn't play the full 660, but I hit my drive down the hill (it's a dog leg left, 90 degrees) and was even with the green on my drive. I hit a hybrid and was about 10 yards short. Giving me 4 shots from there for par. I made "eagle" , but it plays as a 5 except for the back tee area. Farmstead was a really funny course. I hit 7-iron for my third shot into the 18th par 6. But that entire course was 10% distance inflation. All day my group was hitting over and we figured either we teleported to a higher altitude, or the course was about 10-15 yards shorter on every hole. What makes both of those holes candidates for being a par 6 is that they both have plenty of places to land the ball where it will take you an extra shot to get to the green. There was a par 5 on the Hershey South course (now RIP) like that. You could easily hit 2-iron, 5-iron and be on the green. But it was so tight and bendy that it was better to play as a 5.

[ Course Name : Treesdale Golf Club Course Website : [URL=http://www.clubcorp.com/Clubs/Treesdale-Golf-Country-Club/]http://www.clubcorp.com/Clubs/Treesdale-Golf-Country-Club/[/URL] Course Style : target golf, penal Regular Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 6500 / 72.5 / 142 Regular Tee Average Score : 88 Forward Tee Yardage / Rating / Slope : 5400 / 68.4 / 124 Forward Tee Predicted Score (Aggressive Round) : 81 Forward Tee Predicted Score (Conservative Round) : 77 This should be very interesting. This is a tough course and I've shot everything from 81 to 100+. I'd like to see what it's like from the forward tees.

It's one of those things where you can't believe it after awhile, or is Alan Funt hiding in the bushes. I probably should have broken off after 9, or just said "This seems normal to you, but I prefer more quiet" and gone ahead, or stayed behind. It was like a train wreck. You can't just pull away..... Although you probably shouldn't get that angry when it's three against one, the only real hurt was eye pains for three days from rolling back in my head so much.

#1 - when i was on my high school golf team, I was playing a practice round with the principal and the coach. I hit a shot on a par 4 that had a chute through the trees. I blocked my shot to the right, it hit a tree and bounced way left. Hit another tree and shot over our heads, behind us. Hit a tree behind us (it was a dense bunch of trees the tee was carved from) and rolled through my principal's feet between us. #2 - played with a friend of mine at a nice course in Northern NJ. We got teamed with a man and his son-in-law, Frank. Frank did not know much about etiquette or the golf swing. He almost hit my buddy and I while we were standing parallel 20 yards to the left of him (he shot it sideways and behind him...don't know how to do that). He also blamed everything on the course for why his "shots" weren't working that day. Ground was too hard, holes weren't laid out right, greens were bad...etc... Anyway, going down #16 he drove into a bunch of high grass between plateaus on the fairway. He gave us a nice dissertation on how badly the hole was laid out and that the PGA would never allow this. He hacked three times to get his ball out, and ended up picking it up and throwing it towards the green. His father-in-law turned to us and said "Jesus Christ, it's like playing golf with my daughter." Then he shook his head and walked away. Next hole, Frankie almost aced a par 3, but then three putted. He literally hit 2 feet to the right of the hole and it rolled 30 feet past. After he missed his par putt he claimed that the greens were in such poor shape that he should have made birdie. His father-in-law rolled his eyes behind Frank's head and muttered something. I hope they never played together again....

"Encounter on a golf course" has become "Encounter on an Internet thread". I feel bruised from reading this. I did want to mention a story about a round I played in South New Jersey. I was playing by myself with three other people who knew each other. One owned a local shipping company. He was on the course talking on his phone almost the entire time. He would be in a conversation while everyone else hit, and would put his phone down when he hit. It went on for 15 holes when I finally said "JC, this is a golf course not your f***ing office". I had had enough. He just kept on talking and one of the other guys told me to get lost and play ahead and that I was a loser because obviously had no one else to play with. I played the last three holes with people who played there every week, they said that was ridiculous and to talk to the manager about it. He gave me a free round of golf. Sounds like I got off easy, although they did try to physically move into my space and try to assert themselves. There was also a guy who got into a fight with someone on my home course and tipped the the other person's golf cart over in anger. I wish I had seen that one. I played with him after his 1 year suspension from the course, and it was stressful enough to wish I had stayed home and watched Saturday morning cartoons.

One of the places that golf commentary should go is somewhere like this. The problem with golf, even at the highest level is that your confidence, swing and other factors change daily. Some days you feel good enough to swing aggressively, and other days you are just holding on. At the PGA tour level, I think that commentators still have trouble knowing what is going on between someone's ears to be able to say with certainty. The best commenters put their spin on things and don't talk about things they cannot be certain about. And what people will always guess about someone like Tiger is what is really going on. Let's face it, he's uber talented, but doesn't open up much. Even his commentary on his own game is more about setting perceptions, rather than honest swing analysis. So for anyone to really know what he needs, at any given time, is pure conjecture. He obviously needed different people to look at his game, at different times, but games (and people) evolve. So to say that a former coach would work now is not really a 100% sound analysis. It's guesswork. Even for people who really know the game. I like a lot of Brandel's analysis when I watch golf, he has some good insights. But unless Tiger was more forthcoming about what he is doing with the swing, where is head is and what exactly he is trying to accomplish, then a lot of this is guesswork. I remember there was some incident where Johnny Miller said that someone has "choked". And I think that's wrong too. It might look like that. For all you know, the guy had a bad stomach cramp and missed. It's perfectly fine to say "That person should have made that putt. that's what you train for, under pressure." But it's different to say "He choked" w/o really knowing if there was anything else. So it's really a measure of tone. Perfectly reasonable to compare, do stats and try to see where Tiger was more successful. To say some of what was at the top of this thread is just wading into waters where you don't know all the facts. And with Tiger being so closed things, it's all guesswork.

75 - 95 with a 54 degree Gap Wedge. Perfect for around the greens as well because it has a nice amount of run for anything less than a lob shot. I played 9 holes late in the afternoon yesterday and the course was running nice and hard so I had 5 of these shots as approach shots on par 4 and par 5 holes.

One of the big reasons that there is slow play, at least the group I used to play with, is the copious amounts of advice on many shots. And treating each green like it was the US Open, and you need several different opinions. Many shots would be a discussion between two people on which club to hit, the right way to play the hole...etc.... no one would be going to their balls. Then on the green, it had to be multiple opinions on how to putt the ball. It adds so much time. I used to play with these guys, and frequently I had my iPhone out and walking ahead doing other things while they farted around trying to figure out things that they should know themselves as golfers. Is a little bit of discussion ok, when you are playing a $5 match? Sure. Is debating it to the point where the commentary is taking longer than making shots ok? Nope. Whoever used to be my partner always heard me say "What are you most comfortable hitting? Do that". Ugh. So the lesson is. Feel free to discuss things, but don't agonize, over-analyze and slow down play because your $5 nassau is not all that important. Just hit your shots and have fun.