Wangus94

No. The units measure how the club gets delivered, how the ball launches, and what it's doing in flight. You would see the device reading the hook and it would tell you that the balls spin axis is tilted way left causing the hook.... The the measurements of the club heads path, attack angle, even face would look deceivingly good. The ball flight numbers would show the hook being wild but the club delivery numbers wouldn't look bad. Especially if you think hitting up and swinging right are 'good' things... as definitely can be for some but in my case those numbers aren't achieved by a good swing.

Not in the numbers... the tracking of the ball flight yes. But if you looked at specific swing related numbers they would look good.

I'll give you guys a good example.... when I went down to SD and got a lesson on Trackman, I had and still have positive attack angle numbers and a pretty big inside out move. The numbers look great, but what I was really doing was getting stuck and early extending. Coming up out of my swing was what. Created the positive attack angle numbers and I was hitting pretty bad hooks. That's my big miss. I worked on swinging more left and as a result my attack went down some, but when I hit it correctly it felt much more flush and went straighter. Not natural for me, but I have to feel more left and down with driver and that helps take care of the lifting up early extension as it was called to me. You'd think my numbers were ideal if you just looked at the computer.

I totally agree with you man. I wasn't sold at first but I swing so far from the inside every time I felt like I was swinging more left it would still read right:-( Took a couple real deliberate feels to get the path number better. I will say though you have to be careful with these devices as they can be real dangerous in the wrong hands or used by people who don't get how the learning process works. The swords came from someone I trust:-D

What is the topic anyway? Hitting up and swinging from the inside? Sounds just like my slider hooks lol

Yes I'm award of that but a lot of these guts are saying how important it is to hit up with driver. Why are the Stack and Tilt guys ok with being down when all the former stack guys aren't?

Is that why there's such a big splinter between all the former stack and tilt guys when it comes to the numbers? Like hitting up with driver? There's a video of that Mayo guy practicing that Stack and Tilt swing and hitting super low line drives. I know when I saw Chris Gustin years ago I felt like I was falling backwards and hitting everything thin. I'm trying to understand what all this drama is about:~(

Ok.... I know this is also off-topic but does anybody know if the Stack and Tilt swing promotes hitting down with driver? I tried it about 4 years ago and had a real hard time getting the driver up in the air. I guess as it relates to the topic, has anybody seen radar numbers with a stack swing and I'm wondering what it did to their path and attack angle numbers?

Read the thread and judge for yourself man.... I'm no expert but it looks like he went from complete beginner to Trackman golf coach overnight.

I have no idea. All I heard was that he was some authority and tour level instructor. Turns out not so much.

Just that it's hard to trust all these so-called experts, especially altering reading all that stuff over there. I've talked to all these guys and they all act like they know everything.

Have any of you guys been following what's going on over at the WRX? I guess Trackman Maestro and Brossard got into it and now a bunch of guys found info that this Maestro guy first picked up a golf club in 2009 and was trying to learn Stack and Tilt. Guys taking a lashing over there, I told you guys there was about to be a big war in that silly Trackman scene.

Do you practice alone? Ime and my buddies play range and putting games to create pressure like on the course. I lose most of the time :) it helps to gamble, even if for chump change, and put something on the line. I have many scratch level friends and many of them tell me hitting balls doesn't really make them better other than just to create different shots and be able to execute them on demand but that's about it at that level.

I must have too much speed I guess ...lol.,Weird:-P you'd think the tour guys would getting those numbers if it was so easily attainable. I was also told the center of gravity is all over the place in drivers and much smaller than people realize. Hard to believe a mass-produced product has such tight tolerances and QC to control exactly where the center of gravity is on the face . I demo'd that club and there were no obvious noticeable differences ... my Trackman numbers weren't radically different either. I think the real motivation by TM is to push more product by being to claim their product goes further than the next OEMs... The typical chop is distance obsessed anyway and the marketing guys know this. Business 101.

17 launch with 2000 spin... lol... buddy I hit a SLDR and didn't get remotely close to that hahaha. What a comedian... that's all marketing BS chief, no moon ball knuckles gonna happen cuz TM tells you so.

The SLDR comment is completely relevant cuz he wasn't talking about attack angle at all... he was just talking about lofting up. I'm saying exactly the same thing you are accept if you just add loft ie 'loft up' without any swing change the ball will obviously launch higher but will have more spin. That Saevel guy was saying that by moving the center of gravity low and forward that will reduce the spin regardless of attack and I was saying that it wasn't the case for me .. my spin was the same with same swing as any other driver. I'm hooked up with world class Trackman instruction so I'm familiar with all the terms you put out there:) if you hit a 7.5 driver high why would you go up to 12. I don't understand how the amount of loft built into the club has any impact on how you swing. It's nt like adding loft promotes hitting up more? Or taking it away makes you steeper?

Easy chief.... I know. You add loft without adding spin by hitting up on the ball, not by increasing the loft built in. I tried the SLDR and it didn't o anything to the spin for me ;-)

So you added loft and reduce spin? I was told the reason Taylormade went that route was because they knew most amateur golfers were too steep anyway and the only way to try to increase carry and claim you have the longest driver on the market was to add more loft. Clever marketing... They're trying to change the stigma that high loft on the driver is bad and hide the fact that they are building more loft than what they stamp on the head anyway. You're still hitting it higher with more spin though

Yea man get some alignment sticks from Home Depot for a coule bucks each and stick one in the ground vertically a few yards in front of you directly on your target. Guy I worked with did this and also put one flat on the ground pointing right if the one sticking up. Had be make slow motion swings trying to trace that inside out line and eventually start hitting half shots at slower speed trying to start the ball right of the rod in front of me and curve back left. WS hard as he'll to do but easier to practice and feel slowly and we eventually worked up to full speed.

What do you mean loft up? You sound like a Taylormade commercial lol. Adding loft doesn't have anything to do with hitting up or down buddy and when you add loft you add spin

I just got back on the radar recently and have gone down to -1 with driver and am hitting it better than ever. I used to be +2 according to the report I have, but my shots are getting straighter less hook as I go down I guess.

Don't take those Trackman lessons... start there

Dude you look crazy upright at the top and shoulders are too flat. You look like your coming toward the ball and up and out of the shot which may be why your left wrist and arm break down causing you to flip and hit it too high. You should try to get your left shoulder down more going back and instead of worrying about how much your hips slide try to turn your shoulders more through the hit... looks like your not rotating well through the swing.

Wow man... I'm reading this wondering if there is a question there? Or is this a statement? I doubt there's a right answer for how much spine tilt, probably just that there has to be some amount otherwise I would think you'd come way over the top and probably chop down right?

You're probably spinning out trying to get to your left so much.