Wangus94

Already got all the info I needed .. Thx:-D

I was looking for some answer about face angle and how it's derived since no one has any kind of solid answer and he explained in a way that makes sense to me. Your pic is on his WRX page as a friend so not sure why you're bashing the guy. I guess a lot of the Trackman stuff is BS rumors

OK I got the real scoop and understand better now haha... found and talked to the guy ( weird thing is ... You're his friend on the other site?) Makes a lot more sense now this radar thing. Finally got some real info thank god.

I found him on another site... lol... he goes by another name on GOLFWRX there s a guy named putter killed I think that's him.

Never heard of him.... That guy and his buddy Schoen are taking over and shaking things up ...haha. So much drama in the LBC it's kind hard being Snoop DO double G . I'm interested to learn about this face angle study

No, whose Bob Townhend? This guy said this Brossard guy was the front runner with all the Trackman stuff. I guess a bunch of guys who shunned it a couple years back are now all following in his footsteps and there's a bunch of them pooping up around here now.

I'm not sure if you guys are really understanding what I'm saying? I do believe in the science to some extent and completely understand how the club numbers tare tracked and derived. Still nobody answered my question: how can you accurately calculate the face when the radar can't see it? Million dollar question right there. The Trackman guys will be the first one to tell you the face is not measured, it's a calculated guess same with loft. I'm not anti-Trackman just not convinced the calculated measurements are perfect and apparently this guru shadow instructor down here named Brossard somehow has figured this all out. At least that's the rumor... lol.

I'm not sure what I think anymore. Just seems like the pro down there in San Diego I saw who just got one didn't know and said there's this big riff now in those circles over all this stuff like attack angle and face angle. There's these two guys who are trying to copy the Trackman Maestro guy. Schoen and Brossard I think

Guys I'm definitely wrong about a lot of things..haha... ask my exwife. But I do have a background in mechanical engineering and have some radar understanding. I'm not claiming the data is bad, as a matter of fact the path readings made perfect senses and we're always + numbers. The face readings though... got some open to path readings that matched ever shot I normally hit and felt solid. It seemed like the more Intried to swing to the right the wider the face got even when I deliberately tried to roll my wrists. Someone explain how the radar can determine the face when it's behind it? I understand measuring sweet spot and seeing how it moves but the face, really? The hitting up thing.... seems like it gets everyone all fired up? I know it makes the ball go further but has to be if it fits your swing right? I mean I was getting bad carry and spinny moon balls when I could pull it off. I aware, the shots that felt the purest, I mean really hit solidly were reading -2. I was convinced I was hitting up or at least level and they got me the straightest longest drives on that thing. I keep trying to hit up on it like everyone tells me and I can't make contact. I just have this weird hinch that the ball takes off not as much on the face as everybody now thinks...,haha.

I think the guy was pretty good and knew what he was doing. He also explained all that gear effect nonsense to me... too much info! I just don't think the face reading seems right to me, I think the ball might be actually closer to the path as the face isn't really read anyway nor the loft. I just read through the link posted and there was someone in there who seemed to agree with me, at least about the hitting up thing ,but you guys seemed to jump all over the poster. The guy I worked with said hitting up makes the ball go the furthest but couldn't really understand why it didn't for me. I agree with some others who apparently believe certain readings aren't as accurate as we're claimed.

Why is he a dope? He says the sane thing you're saying... but when I do hit up it doesn't go as far or feel as solid as when I allegedly hit down. I think the face angle thing isn't accurate, not the pro. My guess is the ball may start on the face but personally I believe the path has a lot more influence than what you, and the pro, are saying. If he's a dope than so are you.. hahaha. I think your both wrong

Title tells it all. I've spent time on Trackman recently and I'm not convinced I believe these radar tracking devices are actually accurate. Mostly I'm referring to the club face angle readings. I've been tinkering around with my draw, sometimes hook, and there's no way the clubface us 5 degrees pointed to the right of my target as I come into impact. I've found that aiming everything right and hooding the face is in fact the best way, at least for me, to consistently draw the ball. Funny thing is... the ball still appears to be starting out in the direction I'm swinging, not where the supposed face is pointing. Now I've deliberately opened and closed the face at address and when I point the face where I think it needs to be to start the ball right I literally hit blocks or pushes almost every time. When I point the face close to the target and hood it to my swing it's butter. I've been researching and have read that there's a lot of questioning on the accuracy of these readings. Oh yea... Last thing, I was trying to hit up on my driver and although the ball definitely floes higher for some reason whenever I really nutted one the machine read like -2. The coach didn't really have an answer for me.. lol. What do you guys think?

I don't think that's what he was saying... he was saying he got the ball up quickly to clear the trees at 30 feet but I'm sure the shot went higher than that.

Yea I think it's more about if everything is working together or not. I think everyone pivots, you have to turn some amount right? The difference is if the arms start outracing the turn like me where I come from the inside too much and my lower body slows up and my arms move out to right field... then I have to save my shot with my hands and hook city baby. You'd think if I knew much about myself I wouldn't be such a chop... hahaha

No hitting up or doesn't do anything to the spin rate it's where contact happens. I got on a Trackman and was shown all this... I hook the ball mostly and even when I hit up I was getting a lot of spin and hitting the ball low towards the heel. Spin didn't really change for me by hitting up or slightly down.. only by hitting it in the sweet spot. Maybe you're flipping at it and adding loft if your hitting it high with spin? Left wrist might be too cupped ?

Dude I don't really trust all those numbers... I was shown that even when I hit up I caught the ball low and toward the heel. You gotta catch the middle of the face baby.

I would hope so: :-) but I'm a hack and wouldn't know... haha. Maybe were on the same page, bur if you just rock the shoulders and focus on the bigger muscles wouldn't it take the pressure out of your hands? I think firm wrists would just kill feel and active hands would kill distance and direction control. I do get a sensation that my right hands closes or releases ever so slightly although I'm just trying to maintain the triangle baby!

One of the best tips I got on changing the amount of right to left was to simply move the ball slightly further back and get a bit more weight forward on my left side. From there I just open or close the face as needed and really swing from the inside. Didn't have to try to roll my wrists with that technique and was a lot more consistent.

I just rock my shoulders and 'maintain the triangle'.... adjust the length to change distance. What's with all the silly quibbling? I doubt any of us who spend this much time on golf websites are ' respected'... lol.

Cool... I know Trackman is a tool but a lot of the guys who use it try to get real specific numbers and the Stack teachers, like Gustin who I worked with taught a real specific move I just couldn't pull off. Maybe I'll come see one of you guys down here in So Cal:)

DVD? Do you guys teach live? I've tried Stack and Tilt ( looks similar) the Trackman stuff and traditional old school instruction. Not sure I would benefit from a system, just looking for a good instructor in my area

Oh ok sorry, saw spin axis and it reminded me of the Trackman stuff and all the drama with those guys and how you should swing. What is the 5 SK system? Never heard of it before until now.

I saw them talking about it on tv and found a groupon deal and got on one down here. Was pretty cool I guess but a lot of info to absorb. I just want someone to tell me what to do in basic terms that I can understand. I guess there's this giant feud between these Trackman guys or whatever...

This is all that Trackman crap... Seems useless for most of us right?

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