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therefore, peyton is not a fitting candidate to compare with tiger. tiger is a global brand. peyton is an american icon. the fact that peyton is doing well off field despite whatever rumors and tiger is in hiding is self explanatory in that their situations have never been remotely similar.
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since i have never signed any athletes to any dollar amt, you would have excuse me for not being able to validate the assertion that only men are the targets of tiger's ads (cars, phone service, beverage, etc) and, i don't underestand how can manning be compared with tiger, to use the manning template to try to contain the issues confronting tiger. different scales, people.
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i have no argument with your logic, except here is my question, to go further on this... assuming tiger comes out playing soon and starts winning again, and, at the same time, he continues to develop more personal and embarassing issues that he cannot openly discuss, you still think, based on the reasoning that he kicks ass in his arena and have his ass kicked in his personal life, that advertisers would flock back?
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never say never. there is always a possibility. if i have 100 dollars to bet, i would put 99 dollars on "things won't be the same again" and donate the one dolla to kids lead astray by tiger i define kids lead astray as those kid who think if you are good in sports, you can be all you can be. america loves underdogs and comeback stories. but tiger is no rocky. what he did has zero redeeming value. at least half of the world population, aka, the females, barring night club hostesses, find his actions disgusting. can good golf save the day? i don't think tiger is sure, but yes, yes, yes in the hearts of die hard golf fans!
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the majority of his net worth has come from endorsements, not from golf earnings. prior to the car wreck saga and the revelation thereafter, tiger's image has been what advertisers would die for: multicultural/global appeal, competitive/talented, family value with kids and wife, role model for kids with foundation, etc. the wholesome package is made of those 4 items and now he is missing the latter 2, if not 3. tiger owed the corporate world for getting where he has been despite his god like golf skills. the other side of the coin is that the corporate world does not owe anything to tiger. when the potato gets too hot, they simply drop you. he can return and continue to be the best golfer, but i suspect the corporate world, those aiming for broader appeals, will find this recent saga hard to forget. the rehab will take a long time, if not forever as far as getting the corporate world on his side again.
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concur. i would go further by asserting that even TW himself would find that ridiculous.:) on his foundation,,,it is a shame that small kids have to learn life lessons from tiger this way. a real shame. his foundation is not about golf, mind you. it is about teaching kids to be better citizens, to take responsibility, to have integrity.
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i agree in theory that that is the correct assessment. however, in reality, when the shaft is horizontal, i am not sure how many can reliably assess shaft angle to start, let alone something perpendicular to that. it may be too spatial-orientationally challenging for many,,, perhaps for most folks, it is easier to start with the gross concept and feel of being "vertical" and then trial and error to fit individual needs.
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that is an interesting proposition then. with that logic, we can argue over things till the cows come home. :) simply because there are 2, scratch that,,many sides to a coin does not mean all sides of that coin cannot be and should not be explored. the whole process of learning is about expanding our cranium. it is not too much work. it is clinical research on ourselves by ourselves. that is how life works! and, guess what? making mistakes is fun! until and unless we experience on ourselves and thereby conclude for ourselves what tips work and what not, we will never own the progress we make.
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i think b-con summarized very well the issues facing golfers when putting. i like the comparison with b ball where with golf, the availability of time may work both ways and often against the golfer. first of, we have to define art,,,is it about creativity, superior skills or even something metaphysical, like the effects left upon us from say, some paintings or music? are there some elements of inborn potentials when it comes to reading the green correctly or feeling for the correct speed and distance? even though we tend to argue over technical issues, there are some basic principles of putting that are universally accepted. for instance, to keep our body still during putting has scientific reasoning behind it. stroking through is preferred to jabbing at the ball. etc, etc,etc. imo, to be a reasonably good putter, a solid foundation should be in place based on science. however, to go beyond that, to be an incredible putter, things are not that clear. for some, working extremely hard and smart will bring them somewhere. for others, working hard and smart may not be enough. i think inborn talents help make that distinction, nature in the right dose combining with nurture in the right dose. and then, at the right place and the right time further, one key element of putting is confidence or trust. the closest branch of science dealing with that is perhaps psychology and psychology among disciplines in science is usually considered soft core. how do you feel about that?
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if you insist that one thing to be picked at to be more ideal :), i would suggest that your lower body can lead the upper body even more. play around with the target view video and try to pause it somewhere on the downswing segment prior to impact--i paused at the frame where the shaft was parallel to the ground. i think you can appreciate the fact that as you enter into the impact zone with your arms (good lag and position), your lower body has not initiated much turn yet. you said that you can maintain better lag, but i think it is not an arm/wrist issue. the mechanics/leverage of a more optimal hip clearing naturally sets and maintain the wrist hinge.
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Help!!! I cant stop hitting it FAT
golfdad replied to 14ledo81's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
14 ledo,,,it seems that everyone has correctly suggested that proper weight distribution is very important, but it seems that you don't think so, for whatever that is worth. keep in mind, as the saying goes, what you feel may not be real... assuming the weight issue is not an issue, you may want to investigate that whether you can maintain a proper posture during your swing. for instance, do you lift up during backswing and bend down at the hip on the downswing? a good eye or a video can tell immediately. someone has suggested to not to focus on the ball but somewhere in front of the ball. i think that is a good direction. in fact, you can practice first without a ball at all. mark a line on the ground and see if you can repeatedly impact into the ground exactly at the line. real turf will be a better place to practice this because sometimes mat can be more forgiving and real turf can give you better feedback. the whole point is about taking proper divot and the ball just happens to be sitting on the divot turf. good luck. -
golf glove under arm pit question...
golfdad replied to Zack's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
another way to look at wali's q on right side glove is that for some folks, if the backswing is very upright, it may not work as easily as someone with a flatter backswing. either way, however, people can benefit from a better connection between the arms and the core, at least for some beginning segment of the backswing, with the image of that triangle that wali uses for putting. some folks are losing flexibility so they tend to lift up the backswing to get more "turn ". that is the point where a potential disconnection can occur. that also lends to the tendency to inefficiently derive power from upper limbs instead of the core and create more moving parts. -
chas, since i am not a golf teacher, i can only relate my experience working and observing my kids who are getting better. one thing you may want to try is to start with chipping. in chipping, one strikes through the ball and maintain the wrist angle we have been talking about in this thread. because the chipping motion is shorter, right under our eyes and slower, i think it may be easier to appreciate the "holding" feeling at the wrists. i think once you feel comfortable with that chipping motion, it may be easier to translate into fuller swings. in my experience one thing to watch out for is that in chipping, the weight shift is not that aggressive, so during the transition from chipping to full, there is a tendency to weight shift less properly, which may lead to more wrist "flipping" if you will...
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in the fingers, the joints allow flexion and extension, aka, bend and straighten. the shoulder joint is the most mobile joint in the body, allowing motion in multiple planes. the high mobillity corresponds to low stablility. in between finger and shoulder we have elbow joint and wrist joint. in the elbow joint, there are 4 main range of motion: flexion, extension, supination and pronation. when combined, one can achieve some level of elbow joint based rotation. for instance, during backswing, focusing for instance on the lagging arm at the elbow, the sequence of range of motion is supination and flexion on the way up and then extension and pronation on the way down. that sequence occurs seamlessly in a rotation. in the wrist joint, 4 motions: flexion, extension, and adduction and abduction. ( sucking one's thumb= abduction, for instance). if one feels that the wrist joint is less mobile than the elbow joint as a whole, that is a correct feeling, based on anatomy. still, wrist can rotate when the 4 motions combine. think of whisking eggs in a bowl. i just saw chas' post above in which he thought the wrist should be "passive" during impact. actually a better way to define it is that it is far from being passive. associated muscles are actively maintaining the wrist hinge in that angle. not as much work invovled as active "flipping" probably but nonetheless, there is still work being done. another way to think of it is that we stand on the floor really relaxed, as if doing nothing, "passively" standing there. but be aware that a lot of muscles are actively firing to allow us to stand erect.
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i have to say i kinda disagree that golf tips are harmful or useless or whatever negative connotations they associate. i think tips should be viewed with caution and if used carefully and appropriately, key points emphasized by expert golfers can be of tremendous help and possibly lead to breakthroughs in terms of understanding of golfing techniques at a given stage of learning. heck, reading this forum i am learning everyday tip by tip. tips in a golf mag have no idea who are going to read them. it is up to the folks to decide for themselves whether the tips are appropriate at a given time. people trying to break 100 should focus on issues pertinent to them, not those for breaking 70s. further, very often, as with anything else in life, our own interpretations may not be that correct at first, so be patient and think them through. i am not saying there is certain level of responsibility we have to take when learning. on a second thought, i am saying that:). we have to learn to decide what is right for us. that is part of learning. :) and when issues like "releasing the club" arise:), ask ourselves what work the best for us. as far as the seve's right knee is concerned, i would like to reserve some judgement because one, the lighting is not that great on his leg and second, his body was rotating toward the right side, so the camera view might have given the illusion that his right knee straigtened when in fact it was hidden by the "dark" leg. regardless, one thing we can appreciate is that his head is quite still, up and down wise,,,