Bileyerheid

If you don't mind, I'm gonna chase my dreams.

UPDATE! I may have been misinformed but I was led to believe that the players on the 'Old Farts Tour' were, at best, playing scratch golf. I mean from those senior tees, I can rip up the best of courses. It is possible that I have been led up the garden path. On saying that my offer is still open and I welcome any deposits. What can you lose? Or should I say what can you afford to lose?

I may be a chancer but I'm certainly not trying to be offensive or provocative. I'm guessing you're a sacker? Paypal: DFLchampionstour@gmail.con

So I can put you down for 50 units? Yes but imagine what I could do with your help. I only started playing the game seriously last year and got down to my present handicap with some reading of this board over the last few years. P.S. DFL, come on! If you take the early bird offer, I'll send you a certificate, a personal thank you note and a sleeve of Titleists. Sorry to lose you. Damn I should have known those facts. I'll take that bet. Send the 100 to me and I'll send back 200 if I never play on the tour. OK 30%, but just for you. Shall I put you down for 50 units? Most people could use some extra funds. I am only centering my focus on those with disposable income and old people. Sorry to lose you.

My handicap would probably get me through the cut but you're right not good enough to win. With the finacial support I would hire Erik and Mike to tune up my game and I think the sky would be the limit. This is definitely not spam and I am only promising 22.4% annual gain on your invetsment. Its not a get rich quick scheme but I'm sure if you can afford the investment I'll enjoy the project. There's no limit on the amount of units available and each unit costs only $5 with a minimum purchase of 50 units. I also have a early bird special, 100units for $450. I plan to use bribery in order to qualify and if that doesn't work, I will rely on skill. With the proper sponsoring and marketing, I am going to be one recognised names. Omdalla Ndgo? Not possible, I need the money. Yes exact translation of 'bile yer heid' is 'boil your head'. We often say, "Awa' an' bile yer heid ya mug ye" meaning WTFO. 'Don't be ridiculous' is also a pretty accurate translation. And of course I am not being ridiculous, if you can afford the investment, I promise to put my heart and soul into it.

OK I've got the point. I'll be sticking around and looking for other threads. I just found this one quite interesting.

I am a very very good golfer. I'm 49 years old and although my handicap is not yet plus, I will be winning big time on the Champions Tour within the next twelve months. My question to you is this, "Do you want to be a part of this BONANZA?" I recently approached my local bank for a loan for this endeavour and to my surprise they refused. So, I am offering, wait for it, an APR of 22.4% to anyone who finances this. That's $22.40 per year for every $100 you invest in this project. I don't want to go into the fine details at the moment, lets just say this is an opportunity that could hound you for the rest of your life if you don't take it. What's my advice? Go for it!

I say, 'toe ma toe' and you say, 'toe may toe'. Yeah, in your dreams. They have not got an inclin. what a closed face feels like. I would like to think that the path has been chosen relative to the target and I still maintain that face angles are easier to apply to the path. Am I the only golfer on this board who lines face to path?

Exactly, no mention of target.

I think they should have gone with a two ball foursomes format with the pro playing with his caddy.

BTW, surely a minimalist or uncomplicated view of the flight laws can't be a bad thing. IMO we should refer to face angles relative to path, then we wouldn't have to do any sums. It's also easier to align and feel face angles relative to path than to target. It would also help stop the confusion about hitting outer quadrants with open club faces. I understand your stock draw but I think it would confuse the OP. I'm sure your brother in law and Trevino and co would feel awkward aiming right of target no matter what. As I mentioned earlier in this post, the OP would have a better chance of learning to swing in to out if he understood the simple basics of path. It behooves this board to explain the mechanics of the inside out swing with the simplist explanations. Phew, I seem to have got that off my chest.

I agree. Its kevin Costner's fault for putting his hands and other things too close to the lady getting the lesson in the film 'Tin Cup'. I would have probably told him to stop and would definitely not return. Its a poor substitute for finding a way to get you to experience the movement for yourself. I once had a similar experience with a pro who kept getting behind me during my back swing and pushing his left knee into the back of my right knee. I told him to stop and never returned.

After much thought I have decided that for this shot, the club face is 2° open to path at impact. What complicates this equation is the loop in the path in the down swing. Am I right?

Understanding path and face angles.

Only relative to target, not relative to path. point your line relative to path and you'll see that only a closed face can hit the outer quadrant.

Trevino, Couples, Lehman aimed well left and all swung out in the down swing. A bit Furyk like only he stands more square. BTW, I didn't realise Lehman hit hooks/draws.

I totally agree with the above statement. My point is that the game should be taught with square alignment and 3 flights. The push and pull shots should be explained as altered alignment. Lets face it, in general, our swing path is created by alignment. Yes, in the process of swinging behind your body during the back swing and follow through then the path is always in to in at some point. The problem is at what point. With fairway shots it should happen after impact as the club hasn't reached the base of the arc and with driver, nearer to impact as the club should be passing the base of the arc. I almost don't understand this last statement myself. But I do understand the science and have a good visual in my head for this.

That's my point, if your club face is open to the path you can't possibly hit the outside quadrant. That can only be achieved if the club face is closed to the path. Target doesn't matter.

I've been doing this for years as well. I also put the x below the equator of the ball to allow for the loft of my driver face. I don't understand the positioning the x on the outside quadrant. I realise you are visualising an out to in path but how can you hit that outer quadrant with an open club face?

OK but the real destroyer would be the OTT move where the shoulders rotate at the start of the downswing and Sneed definitely didn't do that. I agree. I swing from in to in, in my mind anyway, and achieve this with something I call shoulder restriction. I'm sure there is a technical term for this but my feeling is that the right shoulder couldn't be more behind my right hip during the down swing. This just puts everything in sync for me and also helps me to maintain my back leaning spine angle during the down swing. Many of my fellow peers adopt the same down swing technique. I'd love to know if you have a technical term for this move on this board.

I need more time to get my head around this. I can visualise the 2nd example starting left of target as the conditions are closer with -1° to +2° but -14° to +10°. Interesting. Snead hit pull draws with a closed stance and not an over the top move. Trevino, Couples, Lehman etc open stance. Rory closed and Jack open. I'm not suggesting that golfers should not shape shots or that they shouldn't adjust their feet alignment. I'm suggesting they learn to swing on a consistent inclined plane for all shots.

Yes, after reading a few more topics on this site, I now understand that you are all referring to face relative to target and not path. I personally find this a little confusing but will be careful to do the math before tutting at another post. Sorry. BTW, slicers have problems with path correction because they've been hitting balls with an open face for so long that changing their path just worsens their results. I would however tell them that a pull fade has two faults that should be resolved.

I'm guessing you are talking about the face relative to the target and not path. That would be 14° closed to path. Quite extreme. A ball struck like this would start left of path but not left of target. It could or would finish left of target As a matter of interest, I think of only one correct path along an inclined plane. The in to in path is created with parallel set up, the in to out path would be created with a closed stance and vice versa for the out to in path. Therefore there are only three flights, straight, slice and hook. I know, with a swing fault, a golfer can create an over the top out to in path but that shouldn't be a consideration for a flight law.

I visualise a push being created with a square face to an in to out path. A closed face to that path would create a hook spin and an open face to that path would create a slice spin. ???

Huh! Closed club face creating a slice? I would suggest that slicing a ball can be carried out from any path. The deciding factor would be whether the club face was open to that path.