Friz
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Always? Even if they're opposite an LIV tournament with their precious $25 million purse (not to mention LIV's requirement that their contracted guys play in all their events....)? If the PGA Tour didn't ban players, it opens up the ability for those fields to get watered down as the top players may split where they play, or be forced to play in their contracted LIV event. If a player didn't have to stop and think "do I want to lose access to all PGA Tour events?" before leaving for LIV, then thats exactly what would happen. Its much better the PGA Tour bans 5 top guys from those events than risk 20 deciding to play somewhere else. We're not just talking about the 3M or the John Deere or other historically weaker fields, setting that precedent for any one event opens up that possibility in the future for all events. LIV may not be opposite one of those bigger tournaments this year, but they're expanding to 14 events next year, and possibly more in the future, so action taken by the PGA Tour right now is going to protect them in the future. The PGA Tour also does not restrict when/where players play outside of PGAT event weeks, those restrictions are only when there is an event they could be playing on Tour. Yes the PGA Tour has a lot more active weeks, but the restrictive piece in place is actually the same. LIV would not grant releases to go play in a PGA Tour event during an LIV week if it were allowed, those guys are required to play in all LIV events. The PGA Tour does not require players to play every single week, but an agreement made by all PGA Tour members states if you want to golf in a particular week, and a PGA Tour event is happening, you need to golf there or get a release to play somewhere else
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These seem like contradictory statements. Its already established LIV isn't worried about being profitable or self-sustaining, so they can throw enough money out there to outspend the PGA Tour in prize money. If the PGA Tour let players play different tours, they could lose more top guys week in and week out as they go play somewhere else, knowing they can come back any time. By banning top players who break the rules, they lose SOME top guys ALL the time, rather than losing ALL the top guys SOME of the time. And right now, they haven't lost anywhere near enough relevant players to simply open those floodgates for everyone to go some of the time. PGA Tour has every right to do what is best for them. They didn't prevent LIV from forming, they didn't forcibly prevent players from joining LIV, all they did was say if you go play there, you can't play here. They'd be hurting themselves a lot more if all the top guys were playing somewhere else half the time. Their fields would be weaker overall. Keeping most of the top guys in PGA Tour events by banning the ones who left are going to lead to better fields more often than the alternative.
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I'd have to assume the larger contracts, and considering not everyone there right now has guaranteed money or a multi year deal, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume ALL guaranteed money is subject to this clause. That would still leave "some" players receiving their tournament winnings Regardless, at least SOME players are literally playing for nothing until they make enough in tournaments to surpass whatever their contract value is.
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This was previously "debunked" but apparently came up again in the legal case
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Needs to be noted that Cam Percy's source was not Cam Smith or Marc Leishman. It is just the chatter among other players, who may be more informed, or may just be speculating like the rest of us. Seems like it's probably going to happen, but still nothing official
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Sounds like you overhit the putt though? A mistake for sure, but avoidable. My main issue with Webb's putt is that it didn't appear to be avoidable. Putting down that slope left a guarantee the ball was heading off the green. I didn't see the a lot of the round to know if others were able to successfully make this putt hold, and there is certainly an argument to be made that he is being punished for being in the wrong spot with his approach, but I have an issue with hitting a GIR, holding a putter, and having no choice but to watch it roll off the green. That seems like a poor set up for the course
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Plenty going on this week, but this putt from Webb Simpson really stood out to me. Is this acceptable course set up for the PGA Tour? He is putting, and it looks to me like there is absolutely nothing he could have done to keep the ball on the green going down that slope
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They already have agreed to it, part of being a PGA Tour member is an agreement to play a minimum of 15 events each season. If they're suing to be allowed to play PGA Tour events, under the idea that they're still PGA Tour members, then they'd have to play a minimum of 15 events to continue being a member. So they either play 15 events on PGA Tour plus 14 events for LIV plus 5 or 6 Asian Tour events as part of their LIV obligation....or they have to drop one of the tours.
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Let's say hypothetically they win this case. PGA tour players have to play a minimum of 15 events to keep cards. LIV players are moving to a 14 tournament schedule next year, plus 11 events on the Asian tour they're expected to play in some of. So at a minimum these guys are going to need to play somewhere around 32 to 35 weeks every year to do both. In a worst case scenario...does this just work itself out in a year or two with the LIV guys not able to keep up with both?
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Numbness is a really good way to describe it. It was somewhat fascinating at first, like a train wreck that you can't look away from. I tuned into a few minutes of the first two events for that same reason, they were pretty much what I expected and held absolutely no long term appeal, and the commentary specifically turned me off quicker than anything else. For the third tournament, I just didn't care. Nothing to see, not interesting for any of the past reasons, didn't give it an ounce of thought. The players leaving feels the same way...unless they pull one of the true A-Tier guys, its just white noise at this point. James Hahn wants to go to LIV? Oh no! Anyway....he's just another B, C, or D-Tier guy that isn't moving the needle for me. LIV confirmed 48 permanent guys is their intent for next season, so if I have to accept LIV existence, even if its short term, then great fill it up with guys like James Hahn who's presence won't be missed by the PGA Tour. The tour will be just fine and have plenty of guys hungry to take his place. No chance Tiger goes, he's already a literal billionaire, and turned down $700-$800 million according to Greg Norman himself. But Cam Smith would be very disappointing for me as well, would be the first true loss in my eyes. Also, the excuses for leaving have always felt shallow, but the lawsuit is almost funny at this point. "The PGA Tour is making me play too many events, I need more free time!" "Congratulations, you made it to LIV, what are you going to do with all your extra time now?" "I'm going to find a way to go play all those extra PGA Tour events!"
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Phil Mickelson was suspended by PGA Tour in March for recruiting LIV players; currently serving 2-year ban | Golf News and Tour Information | Golf Digest
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Good lord, I hadn't seen James Hahn's post....thats pretty cringe worthy. Like, do they not tell the guys they're allowed to skip an event? He's made over a million dollars this season alone in route to 113th in the FedEx Cup, and he's complaining about not seeing his family for a month. And then he says this
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I could easily see some alienation happening, to me it seems one of the worst things you could do as a sports league is take a political stance for one side or the other. Especially when one of the most divisive figures is involved. In the NFL people were boycotting games and giving up season tickets they'd had for years when just a handful of players started kneeling during the national anthem over racial inequality and police brutality....that was the extreme case, but there was definitely some of that. An entire league taking a full fledged political stance could be that times a thousand.
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The low end is going to be closer to about 375. I've got a course near me with a 390 yard par 5 from the white tees. There are courses like that all over the place. A lot of people don't play the correct tees, but there are plenty of places to run into a short par 5 to do this only once in your life
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If it holds all of its charge when turned off, then i guess it turns on very easily. I know there's different types of devices that require holding the power button for a couple seconds to turn on, the H4 seems like just a tap will turn it on. I keep mine in a golf accessory bag in my car. It has room to move but nothing to bump into except the side of its compartment. After an 18 hole round, it was around 50% battery. I turned it off and didn't charge it, usually would charge the night before planning to play. I spontaneously stopped for 9 holes before work earlier this week, over a week since playing, and turning on the H4 battery was at a yellow bar. It lasted 6 holes before dying. I definitely had to turn it on when I got it out, so it was off, but something had drained some of the battery in that time. I guess I'll assume the power button was bumped a few times
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Love it. These guys are now going to be contractually obligated to play probably a minimum of 20 events for LIV, will still want in the Majors to get to 24. 18 of those will be fixed dates, maybe they have a little flexibility for which International Series events they play, but just compare it to what the PGA Tour offered. Play a minimum of 15 events, majors count toward that 15, and you can choose which events you want to play all season. I'm so happy these guys got the "freedom" they were looking for.
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It honestly feels like LIV's primary objective is to maximize the amount of major trophies they have among their field, with absolutely zero regard to how relevant those guys are today. Bubba is another guy that simply fills up one more spot on LIV's road to a permanent 48 without losing anyone I care too much about.
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I would agree with that. So if we use a more defined definition of "golfer", lets say its as wide open as someone who plays at least twice a year on average. I'd have a very hard time believing that 90%+ of people who play at least twice a year have NEVER on ANY course hit the green on a par 5 in 2. This is an interesting case study, but at the same time I'm still hung up on the fact that they only have to do it once in their entire life to check the YES box on this survey. You may be playing with old guys who can't hit as far now, or young guys who only run into a good shot one out of 10 swings, but they've only had to do this once in their entire life. If you played with 100 guys in a year there, would you estimate that more than 10 of those guys were capable at some point in their life of achieving this?
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So....IF we are to assume that statistic is true, I also have to assume that the term "golfers" refers to "anyone who has ever played at least one hole of golf ever in their life." Its the only way I can see them finding 90%+ that haven't done this. For all the courses in the world, there are going to be tons that have a tee option for a sub-400 par 5. And someone only has to do this once in their entire life to achieve this? I am forced to believe a reasonable chunk of that 90% are people that only play once a year or less.
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Changes to LIV for 2023 Report: LIV Golf to feature relgation, qualifying tournament beginning in 2023 | Golf News and Tour Information | GolfDigest.com Some players may be exempt from relegation depending on their contract with LIV Golf. Relegation, but not real relegation And a qualifying tournament full of players who have turned them down, and would become ineligible for the events that allowed them into the qualifier But they'd also have a fixed field of 48 guys, and static teams, so the poaching does indeed have a maximum and end date
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I bet his mom has said that. Maybe even his wife. And yes I assume they use his full name.
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Hey now, lets not ignore the remarkably vague language in point 2, in which at each tournament he participates he will also be given "a number of balls not exceeding 3 per 36 holes". Could be 1, could be 2, hell, it even could be 3!
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He's not, neither is Cam. Must be a slow news day if they're taking someone's Reddit post and making an article about it. Theres a rumor that Hideki has a $400 Million offer on the table, which is insane if true. I guess they're just trying to buy Japan? But either way he hasn't accepted or commented at all on it yet
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It's so sad how fake this argument ever was in the first place. LIV Players: "The PGA Tour made me play in too many events." Also LIV Players: "In addition to our LIV events we need to fight to be able to play in DP World Tour events, also let's play Asian Tour events to keep our OWGR up so we can also continue playing in the majors"
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This is what I keep wondering. I have a very hard time believing these guys are leaving without a multi-year deal and guarantees they'll be able to play in every event. And LIV only has room to do that 48 times. Just looking at the field for their next event, I'd estimate there could be 30-35 guys, at least, that could have some version of that So what happens when LIV gets to 48 guaranteed contracts? Do they stop poaching or do they start terminating contracts early?
