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My quote there was too old by a few minutes to edit. I should say "compare or exceed". Surely I have a couple of barely used Adams and Taylormade woods and/or hybrids that outperform these old yet highly back and sole weighted, not-so-convex-faced Powerbilt Citation woods I found I like so much... but my skill level is only consistently showing the hybrids being a bit easier to hit, just yet, and the high tech woods are honestly still about neck to neck... I'm sure as I get better it will weed out the randomness factor and the metal woods that are within a few years old will out perform the Citations. But I'm dubious any of the 90's or early 2000's metal woods ever will no matter how much better I get. Of course I'd have to define performance as total distance, predictable/consistent distance, and/or going where I intend, and that's at least three categories... I sure love returning to this sport (not that I got far as a kid). If I ever knew that practice balls (hollow or foam) would actually fly as well and as far as they do, and give you as much of an idea of hooking or slicing as they do, I'd have begun practicing here on the lot where I live a lot sooner! Thanks again

Thanks so much dbuck for the thoughtful reply. I'm glad to know I'm not a total dunce for not knowing, myself. Now that you mention it, yes... the forged sets I have are not stainless haha.. the rather forged-seeming "the Haig" set I have as well as the Sears Roebuck "Bob Murphy Jr." set are both clearly chrome plated. I do have Northwesterns that are cast cavity-backs and are chrome plated, and I have numerous cast stainless cavity-backs... but I don't have any "surely forged" stainless sets...and so it's coincidental that you pointed that out just as I began to wonder if there were forged stainless clubs... I initially overlooked the stainless stamp on these Citations because they seem so much brighter silver colored than some of my relatively pewter-hued stainless club heads. And thanks for the thoughts and references about woods. Indeed, these laminated Citations make me want to find another set just like them while nice ones are still cheap. I'm not quite traditional enough to want older woods that aren't weighted like these... but I get more out of these than I do my 90's and early 2000's metal woods... only several relatively recent and advanced models of woods or hybrids that I've been able to afford truly compare. Thanks

I'm new to metal-analysis and newish to golf and I'm sorry if this was s stupid question, like if these irons are somehow clearly cast, to the introductory-trained eye (like by looking at the writing formed into it rather than stamped), but I was confused because the metal seemed to have that same, stretchy-looking grain like the forged Haigs I have... (?) I did try looking up the answer but cannot find it anywhere. I suppose I'd guess "cast" if I had to for these irons, because of the way the logo looks, and because there are more premium versions/sets of Citations? I should probably preface most emails with the fact that I'm particularly into vintage things more than my score in some games (although I do have a relatively modern set for other occasions). I love my Northwestern irons, though, for example. When I get a good shot they are amazing to me. God as my witness, you have my word I'm not just crowd-sourcing y'all in a petty way trying to sell these irons or anything I post online or something, trying to get easy specs from you guys because I'm a seller. I do not sell golf equipment. I used to R&D and make archery equipment out of wood and composites. I just really, really like vintage things and have storage space and like to plan for the future, whether I pass them on over time to someone special or keep them (and knowing more about them helps). I dig before I ask. These came with, not persimmon, but unreal-feeling laminate woods I unexpectedly fell in love with and bought some softer balls for. While persimmon was and is a higher-brow thing, and while my Northwestern laminates feel crummy (love the NW irons tho), the Powerbilt laminate woods that came with this set are more rewarding to hit than some of my more modern steel ones from the late 90's and early 2000's. They have a thick metal sole and a hefty metal weight at the back, and I'd think would give some pure persimmon woods a run for their money. I also feel like it's less likely for the laminated Citation woods to form a crack in the hosel than aged, solid persimmon, and that comes from not only seeing lots of cracks in woods, but because -- even though I'm newer to golf, I am not new at all to hand-making performance sporting goods that put up with immense stress (bows and arrows). At first I was disappointed when I showed up with $50 for this set of Citation irons with 4 woods, because I thought surely the 3 Citation woods were solid persimmon, but to my surprise they weren't (the picture deceived me). But after swinging these relatively highly engineered, latter-day laminate PB Citation woods, on my property, I am really glad I bought them anyway and intend on restoring them (some moisture got under the finish and tarnished them, and I am experienced in finishing and re-finishing archery equipment...usually by using epoxy clear coat that cures best at 105-115F or so, always superior to cold-cure urethanes and so forth in archery, way more scratch and gouge and ding-resistant, but I'll do a golf-spin on my R&D... while they were R&D'd plenty leading up until their day, there's always room for experimentation in customizing the way we refinish well-aged sporting goods after they become old, which they weren't when they were made. 🙂 Maybe heat-cured archery bow epoxy will be too hard and crack more than a cold-cure acrylic or urethane etc., but I bought a handful of cheap laminate woods nobody wanted to experiment with re: refurbishing coatings. If I can re-strengthen old, dried-out wood while I refurbish how it looks, I'd rather do it than just stay true to the original materials (esp. since I'd either keep them or gift them to friends instead of claiming a purist restoration). But I digress regarding my question about these irons. I'm thinking people are passing the thread by thinking I shouldn't bother people with the question until I can better identify obvious things? I did try looking it up, but the records I find are too ambiguous and do not delve into the differences between Citation, Citation Levelume (which people advertize as forged and which are even more commonly sold), etc. Thanks, Jeff

Greetings, I've seen slightly different Powerbilt Citation clubs of this style of head advertised as "forged", but I'm not sure about mine. Mine don't say LEVELUME or have the extra H&B insignia like those did. I'm actually using more forgiving clubs, some cavity backs. Long story how I got these. I also have some Walter Hagen "The Haig" (written in script) which I'm told are forged even though they're not the "Ultra"'s which I cleaned up, waxed with car wax, and pickled in my closet until I have any business hitting a blade or muscleback. Was thinking of doing the same with these. If they're forged I'll pickle them and put them up with the Haigs until I'm skilled enough to truly try them side by side. If they're cast I'll either pass them on or use them later, before the Haigs, to get used to less forgiving clubs before subjecting the Haigs to my swing. Thanks

Hehe... thanks for verifying I wasn't missing out on some genuine, arcane golf nomenclature. That makes it kinda cool 🙂

Greetings and please forgive my ignorance...I got this by itself at the thrift store out of curiosity. Has anyone ever seen a wedge numbered "99"? I thought maybe it was a thing until I got home and couldn't find any on Google. Now I'm assuming it's a 9 iron and the club accidentally got stamped twice? (?) o.o This from the Powerbilt guys back in the day I guess: H&B Louisville Grand Slam Reg. 147 Maybe since by today's loft standards it is a couple degrees stronger than a 9 I might keep it as a longer wedge and call it my "Louisville Slugger"? Looks a bit like it's already been used on some gravel at that (I polished the stainless head a bit with micro-abrasive compound but you can still see dings on the edge between the face and sole)

Greetings! As I mentioned in the career thread, I recently went part time with aerospace communications machine work I've done off and on throughout my life (just as I've done various tech support numerous times) versus full time so that I could devote as much time as possible to setting up a new, local church and doing AM radio ministry. I had a love for amateur radio and shortwave listening that turned into letting other people handle the signals, and so went from 800 watts to 2 towers at 100,000 watts each (I'd love to see them but they're in Africa covering the continent with 2 AM radio signals over there and I live in Florida). When I was in middle school I went from a score of 128 to one recorded at either 88 or 83 (I can't tell) but I'm basically a beginner all over again. I will use modern equipment and have some, but love to fix up and try vintage. I just inherited my dad's 70's or early 80's Northwesterns and I gotta love the irons and bag. I love finding $1.18 clubs at Goodwill while funds are scarce in my life. To me that equipment fixing up and trials are as much fun as the game.

Hi! I'm a part time machinist while I, as pastor, get a small church off the ground with a few people. I usually have an AM radio show, right now Voice of Hope radio, specifically their African continental 2 signals of 100 kilowatts each 1700 UTC (12 noon Eastern US time). I live in Florida, USA, but I'm on our African stream for language reasons versus their Spanish Americas and Middle Eastern streams/signals. You can visit radioministry.org as well. The part that is most up to date is >Listen and then >Sermons, weekly updates. Sermons – Radio Ministry .org Thanks!

Greetings! I enjoy finding and trying vintage equipment. Obtaining diamonds in the rough at Goodwill for $1.18 is as much fun as the sport to me. I like to grab a few, take them home, look them up, try them, and keep one and take the rest back. Love cleaning them up etc. I recently picked up a vintage MacGregor #145 Louise Suggs brass putter the same as the one I included a picture of. It doesn't say "Lady" on it like some, but people do seem to post this one as a women's putter, and I'm assuming guys didn't generally tend to go around with a girl's name on their clubs(?) so it was probably generally sold as a lady's club? What exactly makes it a women's club? It seems as heavy as any similar putter from a men's set back in the day, and it's current shaft length is exactly the same length as my all-original, un-altered men's putters (although I suppose the shaft could have been swapped). Can someone tell me what would make a putter like this a lady's putter other than maybe just the fact that Sugg's name is on it? I actually really like it. Thanks. JD Burris, Tampa, FL Voice of Hope AM Radio, Africa 1700 UTC Saturdays (noon Eastern US time)