tsdnorton

New area, haven't lived here since I spent 2 years in Costa Mesa when I was 18. Got a job at Mission Hospital: Laguna Beach, will be living around Aliso Viejo. Looking for new people to golf with in different areas. Don't know anyone around the area really, especially anyone to golf with on a regular basis. I'm sure there are tons of people here that are from the area. Anyone looking to fill foursomes, or any other onesomes like myself looking.. Let me know.

Still, missing the point of the statement. When you watch someone with "stack and tilt" you KNOW they're stack and tilt. When you watch the rest of the players out there you don't go "oh he has a 1 plane / 2 plane / ect swing" You basically just look at the mechanics and the outcome. Regardless of if it's a 1 or 2 plane swing, it's the same "looking" swing for the most part. Simply saying it's a numbers game. If the whole field of players was S/T and there were 5 or 6 two-plane swingers. Based of numbers alone, S/T is going to win most of the time. Right now, since S/T is by FAR the minority, they have less of a % to win. If I need to get a mathmatical formula to illustrate a point... then this discussion has gone too far :P lol

The normal 2-plane swing that most golfers use. Slight weight shift to rear foot, stationary spine, proper release, ect. I know no two swings are alike but you get the picture. Read Hank Haney and Ben Hogans book. The swing outlined in those 2 books, I would consider, a "traditional" swing,

It's a numbers game. How many active PGA pros use S&T;? 2-5% if that? How many active PGA pros use a "traditional" swing? 80-85%? How many active PGA pros use a "different" swing? 10-15%? How many pros use Jim Furyks swing? 1 So if there are 120 players in a tournament and 100 use a traditional, 4 use S&T;, 15 use different swings, and 1 Jim Furyk,,, The numbers outnumber greatly outweigh the rest. If a certain player doesn't win a certain week, is that play not as good as the rest? no. Now if you took 100 S&T; players, and paired them up with 5 traditional swingers, and 15 different swings? Who would be on top? Would you consider the traditional swing dead just because the S&T; players won 80% of the time in that pairing? No. If that player is good enough to get to the Big Leagues using S&T; he deserves to be there, same as the rest. It doesn't matter HOW you get the ball in the hole, as long as it involved contact with a club and the basic physics of a golf swing. It's incredibly ignorant to bag on anothers swing because you A) Don't understand it, B) Have never tried it, or C) jumping on the bandwagon with the others... Stack and tilt will never be dead as long as people keep using it.

Could be a swing flaw. I used to have a severe problem with kinda casting the club. My right hand would take over right before impact and I would hit the ball clean, however, it would be coming on an upward swing so i basically was adding 10-15degrees on all of my clubs.

Maybe we should meet up and grab some lunch or something. I'll also be playing at Boundary Oak for the Monday Q for something fresh. I'm staying right outside the SJ airport attttttttt... Mind blank... I can't honestly remember the hotel at the moment haha. But shoot me your contact info if you want (or I'll send you mine) if you'd like to meet up for some food or grab a drink after the round.

Got back earlier this afternoon and boy was that a blast. The weather was BEAUTIFUL for both days and the conditions were fare. The greens are incredibly quick compared to my local courses. But it was nice to play some courses that were in great condition. Shot a 70 at TPC Summerlin and 69 at Painted Desert. It was so much fun. I found painted desert to not be NEARLY as hard as Summerlin or LV. Everyone told me it was incredibly tight and a great course management challenge (I know they used to have the Nevada open there) but I found it to not play as bad as everyone said. I had a rough couple starting holes getting used to my approach shots into the greens. Went Par/Par/Boge/Bird/Par for my first 5. Then I got a great feeling for the course and has some fun. Summerlin was great but oh man if you barely push OB hitting off desert isn't fun at all. All in all it was an outstanding trip and got some great advice and teaching from May while playing with him. (He did say he had to knock me down a few pegs for playing Mizunos haha.. but once he realized I went to school in GA he forgave me knowing how big Mizzys are in the south) I hit his raptures and i15's a bit though and they felt pretty comparable to my 910/mizzys. I had one hole where I SERIOUSLY got ahold of a few of my drives and blasted it about 30 yrds past him though. He played with Matt Ryan a few days before playing with me and had some funny stories about him. That guy is a character. I also got to meet and see Daniel Negranu and Phil Ivey playing at Summerlin a hole behind us. They were betting something crazy like 10k a hole and 15k on par 3's.. those dudes are insane haha. He's heading to some Monday Q's for the next couple Nationwide tournys to try and win some cash before they reshuffle the players and he can get into some more tournys. He said they reshuffle after 5 tournys so he has a few chances. I think I'll be competing against him and the field for the Monday Q and the something fresh tourny. But the oncourse experience and teaching is beyond invaluable. I learned a lot from him and some of the players I played with these last few days. It truly shows how great these players are. He ended up shooting I think 66 at Summerling and 68 at Painted Desert. He said his back has been getting better (funny enough from cycling, he does 20 miles every morning through the upper LV mountains.) Great trip, great experience, TONS of advice, and a great tune-up to help me out.

I carry 10-15 range balls in my side bag for pricks like this. I wait until they're about 225+ out on my home course and start firing my 4 iron out at them (knowing itll stop almost dead at 205) I've had a couple instances where a 4some was playing slooooooow. Drinking beers, running their carts amuck, hitting 3 or 4 shots at the green. And they wouldn't let us play through. I try calling the proshop for a marshal and most of the time the marshal comes and talks to them and they run their (I payed to play blah blah blah blah) mouth. So I just have fun with them.

Ben you doing any upcoming Monday Q's?

Haha it's funny you say that. I've talked to him about the whole PGA Championship thing and he really is pretty calm about it. I even said the same thing, someone HAD to throw his ball back out. But he really just takes it as a "it happens" thing. Takes it really well. With all his back surgeries lately I'm surprised he can still bomb is like he does. He's a small guy, but oh my... Tossing it out 300+ every drive like it's nothing. He uses his pings well lol. I'll take some pix and stuff and post when I get back.

Have my Monday Q coming up here in a few weeks for the Something Fresh tourney. So I talked to Bob May and told him what was going on and what not with my game. He told me to come out and practice / play with him this week in Vegas. So I'm going out to play Painted Desert, TPC Summerlin (his home course), and TPC L.V. and practice with him for a few days. Trying to work out some shots with my short game and what not. But just thought it would be fun, get to go play with him and a few of his buddies (I think Bill Lunde may be joining us depending on what happens with him this weekend) and then train with him a little. Pretty excited about the trip. Can't wait to see what I can learn practicing with some great golfers.

This. I've NEVER played at a course where marshalls treated anyone like that. Out of the 40+ courses I've ever played at. I've never had this happen.

I'd average under 15 putts a round.. got knows how many lipped puts I get. And how many chips I have that barely role left or right of the hole... I mean people would be chipping it in ALL THE TIME.

If they took a mulligan on your shot... couldn't you play off his shot?