BugDude

Thanks. My Dad was the 2nd owner of the Herbie (it's a 1963 Sunroof Bug) and he bought it in 1966. My parents brought me home from the hospital in that car when I was born in 1968. It was our family car growing up. The restoration is 13 years old and I've poured almost 20 times what my Dad paid for it in the car. It is spotless underneath, inside, in the engine area, in the trunk. My Dad says it is better than new. Except for the custom VW wheels and the decals, everything is back to original. The other one is a 1962 Sunroof bug I bought about 7 years ago. I've been hand painting the graphics for about 5 or 6 years. I've got a lot of work left to do on that car, but it's an ongoing project. I take them both to a lot of car shows, in parades, etc. They're a lot of fun. They keep me out of trouble when I'm not playing golf.

This is my other Volkswagen

I shot a +4, 76. Course is 6500 yards rated 71.3 and slope 124. I was very inconsistent. One minute hitting great, next minute terrible. Driver was more good than bad, irons were about 50/50, chips more good than bad, and putter about 50/50. Only 1 birdie today, a 520 yard par 5 I was on in 2 and 2 putted.

I've played a handful of Dye courses in various parts of the US (several of them numerous times) and the only consistent theme for me is I've never had fun playing any of them. The absolute most fun I've ever had playing golf has consistently been at The Homestead, The Old Course, in Hot Springs Virginia. I've played all three courses there many times (The Upper Cascades - Championship Course, The Lower Cascades, and The Old Course) and The Old Course has always consistently been the most enjoyable course anywhere for me. It was built in 1892 with updates by William S. Flynn and Rees Jones. It takes advantage of the natural mountain terrain and dynamics. At no point on any hole there have I ever thought "this hole would be better if." When I finished rounds there, I was surprised it was over and was left wishing there were more to play. Dye courses always seem to me like the round will never end soon enough and I'm glad to see it in the rear view mirror on my way out.

I played Southern Hills Plantation in Brooksville, FL yesterday and I didn't enjoy the course at all. Ridiculous mounding, bunkers, and drop offs everywhere. He ignored the natural lay of the land and manufactured a very unnatural layout. I won't be going back. No fun at all.

Played Southern Hills Plantation, a Pete Dye Course, yesterday for the first time. Played Gold tees 6962 yards rated 74.1 slope 134 and shot a +6, 78. It was a tough track, especially in strong wind.

It was my Father-in-law for the last 20 years, until he passed away a year and a half ago. I always played my best when I played with him. We traveled all over the US playing golf together. He was like a father, brother, and best buddy all rolled into one. And when I was playing golf with him I could never get in trouble with his daughter for playing golf. I miss him a ton. I always texted him to tell him about new courses I played, rounds I had, or shots I had.

Dumped my RBZ Driver and went back to my old, cheap Driver. Hitting it much further and much straighter. Working on keeping my weight inside my back knee and transferring my weight onto my left side. A drill that has helped with this is hitting irons with my back heel lifted off the ground. Not sure why this drill works, but it does. Also working on putting and rolling the ball. Putter in fingers, exaggerate feeling of left shoulder high (r hander), pendulum of the chest and shoulders back, and make a longer fluid stroke with an upward motion coming through and the putter head following down the line.

I played the Innisbrook Island Course from the green tees last Friday and shot a -2, 70. I had 6 birdies. Putter was on fire. Made a 30 foot par putt and a 60 foot birdie putt. I stuck a couple of par 3 tee shots inside of 3 feet. Chipped a couple of 3rd shots close on some par 5s and put another approach on a par 5 from 70 yards to within a couple of feet. Drained a lot of par putts in the 6-8 foot range. I played with my boss, a couple of other co-workers, and a consultant. We had a great time and I really enjoyed the day.

You said "show your work", so I shared where to find it. People are free to look at it if they care or not. Makes no difference to me. From 1962 to 1978 The British Open winnings were not included in the official money list rankings. During that time, Jack won that event 3 times and had 14 top 5 finishes. That would have changed the money title relative to his peers significantly. The point of a forum is to share opinions, unless, as it appears, your opinion differs. Then it appears you are supposed to apologize for your opinion being "wrong" and conform to the herd. I'm simply sharing information that is publicly available to demonstrate that the so called "domination of Jack by Tiger" is not so apparent after all. I have formed my opinion based on a wide base of various factors and am sharing them. People are free to choose their own stats that matter to them, but people who weren't around back in the day may not be aware of all of that data. Now that they are, it may mean nothing to them at all and may not change anything for them. That's fine, they're not wrong. Opinions aren't about "right or wrong." I'm not saying 70% of the people are wrong or that I'm right. Just discussing opinions. I don't understand why you care so much about my opinion...I'm in the lowly 30% and that's not likely to change. So what. In 10 years when Tiger's numbers change, maybe my opinion will change. But it will still only matter to me...and I'm nobody.

Yes, I'm fully aware of both. But Jack's accomplishments on the senior tour also show longevity over the course of a 40 year career. Competing at an older age. But, if we ignore his senior tour accomplishments, and team golf accomplishments, and other professional golf accomplishments on other tours, and say strength of field negates his 60s and 70s wins, and consistency of finishing in the top 3 vs just the win don't count, then what we are saying is "Only PGA Tour Wins from 1995 - Today count, therefore Tiger is the Greatest EVER." In actuality, that would mean "Tiger is the Greatest from 1995 - Today"...which he without doubt is. That's a fact. "EVER" encompasses a much broader scope. He may and most likely will reach that point at some point in the future...but we're talking about at this point in time.

Google "List of Career Achievements" for both Jack and Tiger then do some simple comparisons. It's all laid out. Both the total number for Jack and Tiger are broken out by event type and event. Strength of field is also debatable. Jack competed against historic world class players during his career, and probably a lot more of them, but who counts Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, Tom Kite, Johnny Miller, Greg Norman...all push overs and hacks. The majors are the best of the best at that particular time and Jack consistently had better finishes against those fields. Whether you count wins only or top 3 finishes. He was more consistent against the strongest fields of his day at this point. Scoring averages are hard to compare due to technology changes (more in ball technology). But in each's day, they competed against fields that had the same technology they did. Money titles. When Jack won the 1986 Masters, he won $144,000. Zach Johnson got $1.3 Million in 2007. Despite leading the Tour in scoring average eight times, Nicklaus never won the Vardon Trophy because he often did not play the minimum required number of rounds to qualify for the trophy. Prior to 1988, the minimum number of rounds was 80 vs. 60 today. There are all sorts of facts, figures, statistics, apple and orange comparisons due to different time frames, technology, whatever. In the end, it is each individual's opinion and that only matters to them. I don't think either player has "dominated" the other at this point but one of them has finished his career and the other hasn't. So the opportunity is still there and may indeed occur. Each has dominated their professional sport in their time. The similarities between their accomplishments are amazing. Yet 25 years from now someone may pop on the scene and blow them both off the map.

In one breath you say "Wins Matter and that's all. Nobody cares who came in second." OK, 18 vs 14. Then it's "That's just majors, what about everything else" OK, why limit it to JUST the PGA Tour. Why not world wide professional golf wins all tours = 116 vs 106 *** So which is it? Wins only matter or they don't, or is it that just some wins matter and others don't? Just Pick and choose whatever stats support your argument, but It is clear that there is no "Total Domination". All Major, Jack wins. All pro events, Jack wins. Team golf, Jack wins. Top 3 finishes in either Majors or all PGA events, Jack wins. That's not being totally dominated. And I don't think you can ignore Golf in which one represents their Country. The Ryder Cup records represent their records as players, and that is a reflection of them as a golfer on a world wide stage, playing not for money but for Country. But hey, it's just my opinion (which 70% of people disagree with). *** Total Profession Wins includes more than just PGA Tour, and it excludes amateur.

I think this hits the nail on the head with regards to "FEEL." It's more likely a matter of "Body Awareness." A lot of times I can feel when I'm out of position during the swing and I can compensate for it. Or if I can't compensate enough, at least I am aware of what went wrong and why. Some people have no awareness of that. I played a round of golf with a guy that kept referring to my "feel" during the round. I asked him what he meant by that thinking specifically about this thread. He said it had to do with my ability to pull off creative touchy feely shots around the greens and inside of 100 yards. Varying trajectory, spin, and even clubs used to hit them. About that time, he stopped the cart 70 yards from a green with the pin in the middle. He dropped 3 balls and said, "Hit 3 shots, one high, one low with spin, and one low that runs out to the pin" and I chose 3 different clubs and hit all 3 shots within 10 feet and all looked different. He replied, "I can't do that. All I've got for that shot is a high L wedge." So good, bad, or indifferent I think the body awareness is the key to "feel."

OK, here's a side-by-side comparison by category: Jack Tiger Majors 1st 18 14 2nd 19 6 Top 3 46 24 Top 5 56 31 Top 10 73 38 PGA Tour Wins 73 79 2nd 58 29 Top 3 167 127 Top 10 182 185 Senior PGA Tour wins 10 0 Senior Major wins 8 0 Amateur Wins 18 21 Amateur Majors 2 3 Total Professional Wins 116 106 US National Team Appearances: Ryder Cup Record, Player 17-8-3 13-17-3 Amateur: Walker Cup 1959 Winners Walker Cup 1961 Winners 1995 Loss Eisenhour Trophy 1960 W T&I; 1994 Winners Americas Cup 1960 Winners Americas Cup 1961 Winners Pro: Ryder Cup 1969 Tie 1997 Loss Ryder Cup 1971 Winners 1999 Winners Ryder Cup 1973 Winners 2002 Loss Ryder Cup 1975 Winners 2004 Loss Ryder Cup 1977 Winners 2006 Loss Ryder Cup 1981 Winners 2010 Loss World Cup 1963 W T&I; 2012 Loss World Cup 1964 W T&I; 1999 W T&I; World Cup 1965 Winners 2000 Winners World Cup 1966 Winners 2001 Loss World Cup 1967 Winners World Cup 1971 W T&I; World Cup 1973 Winners Dunhill Cup 1998 Loss Presidents Cup 1998 Loss Presidents Cup 2000 Winners Presidents Cup 2003 Tie Presidents Cup 2005 Winners Presidents Cup 2007 Winners Presidents Cup 2009 Winners Presidents Cup 2011 Winners Presidents Cup 2013 Winners Captain: Ryder Cup 1983 Winners 0 Ryder Cup 1987 Loss 0 Presidents Cup 1998 Loss 0 Presidents Cup 2003 Tie 0 Presidents Cup 2005 Winners 0 Presidents Cup 2007 Winners 0 Ryder Cup Record Player 17-8-3 13-17-3 Total Team Record 20-2-2 10-10-1 Over the course of their entire careers up to this point, one can hardly say that Tiger totally dominates Jack in every other regard. When evaluating the entire golfing career in terms of amateur, PGA, majors, total professional wins, Senior tour, and representing the entire United States as a golfer in Team competition, it appears Jack edges him out in the entire body of work. Don't just count majors? OK, count total professional wins. Jack 116, Tiger 106. And just for giggles Jack has designed and constructed more golf courses than any single person in the world. That's not playing golf, but it sure takes a lot of total golf knowledge, vision, and impact on the game. If you care to look up all of his accomplishments, the number of records he still holds, and the awards he has received please feel free to do so. I'm not going to post them all, but when you compare them it's obviously weighted towards Jack. But Jack has done that over 50+ years. Perhaps Tiger will eclipse those marks by the time he reaches Jack's age and then I would agree. But at this particular point in time, he's not there yet. He could suffer a career ending injury tomorrow and he'd be done. We're not counting potential, but where they both stand in their entire respective bodies of work at this point in time. Just my opinion.

I think the more frequently you have a club in your hand helps you more than just the total volume of holes played or balls hit. I used to be a member at a club where I owned my own cart and could play as many or few holes as I wanted whenever I wanted for a flat rate per month. I went out a lot of evenings after work and just played 3 holes, practiced chipping and putting, and went home. Or went to the range and hit 15 balls, played 3 holes, practiced putting on the last green 15 minutes, and went home. Sometimes 9 holes, sometimes just went to the practice green, or sometimes just the range. The point being it didn't have to be complete 18 hole rounds 5 times a week. I found playing 9 holes 4 days in a week was more beneficial to me than playing 18 holes 2 times a week. You still need to play quite a few 18 hole rounds, but when you can't get in 18 just working on something even for a little bit more often seems to do wonders. Frequency of days having a club in your hand working on something seemed to be the key for me. For example, hitting 20 balls a day for 5 days in a week was more effective for me than hitting 100 balls 1 day per week. Same amount, but spread out and more frequent.

There's a ton of people who do just that. After Christmas, the golf courses are packed to the gills and slow. Summer time golf down here is cheap and you have the courses to yourself, you just have to wear a lot of sunscreen and drink a ton of water.

I moved to Florida 2 years ago and it cured my "Winter Depression." I played Sunday 1/5/14 and it was 80*.

Obviously 70% of the people taking this survey disagree with me, but it's opinion. Neither right or wrong. For me there are several factors: 1) Competitive accomplishments, which are at this point still remarkable. Beyond just the total number of major victories at 18: 18 Major victories (current record) 19 Major 2nd place finishes (current record) 56 Major Top 5 finishes (current record) 73 Major Top 10 finishes (current record) 1st Major victory at age 22 and last at age 46, a span of 25 years showing longevity of Major relevance Masters: 6 Victories (current record) 4 2nd place (current record) 15 top 5 finishes (current record) 22 top 10 finishes (current record) Youngest 2 time champion (current record) Youngest 3 time champion (current record) Oldest Champion (current record) Most cuts made 37 (current record) Most birdies 504 (current record) Most eagles 24 (current record) US Open: 4 Victories (current record) Only player to win the title in 3 different decades The Open: 3 wins 7 second place (current record) 16 top 5 finishes (current record) 11 of those in a row from 1970 - 1980 33 rounds in the 60s (current record) NEVER finished worse than 6th place from 1966 - 1980 PGA Championship: 5 first place (current record) 4 second place 12 top 3 finishes (current record) 41 rounds in the 60s (current record) I also look at his commitment to the game and what he has given back to the game. After his competitive golf career he has built a golf empire in golf course design and architecture. His prominence in the number of golf courses he has personally been involved in designing and building throughout the world in phenomenal. His total golf career and impact on he game spanning a 50+ year period and the records he still holds after that much time speaks volumes to me. So no, I'm not just looking at "18 Majors", I'm looking at 50+ years of accomplishments. Others opinions will obviously vary.

After a year with my RBZ Driver, I have decided I don't like it. It will be getting traded. Looking at the Ping i25 and g25. I can't escape the hooks with the RBZ.

I think Jack. But anyone who grew up watching Jack play in his prime and then was watching the back 9 at the 1986 Masters as it unfolded live would understand why.

I played a lot last year, but the last round I played before this past Sunday (Jan 5th) was on September 21st of last year (and I ironically had a hole-in-one on that day, my 2nd one, 1st one was 20 years earlier). I had surgery on my left leg and was out of commission for a while. I went to the driving range and practice green early December and it took me a little while to get back in a groove. Then I didn't touch a club again until 1/5 and I shot a +2 74. I was -1 with 5 holes to play and had some brain farts. I attribute that to rustiness. I actually played better after a long break than I was when I was playing a lot. Sometimes it helps me "reset" and start fresh to take a break for a while. I don't recommend 3 months break, but most of that was health, travel, and family commitments. Now I'm going to get back on the band wagon playing and going to the range. Ironically, I'm sure my scores will get worse initially the more I play and then level back off.

I still use a set of irons from the early 80s. Golden Ram Tour Grind 2i - pw. I wouldn't trade them for anything.

Someone asked me yesterday how I hit a certain shot. I replied, "I can't really explain it. I visualize the the shot and think about that during the swing. The how takes care of itself. If I start thinking about mechanics, it's disastrous. Tempo whether of full shots, chipping, or putting seems to be the only mechanical element I can think about without messing up my game.