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I went from a set of Callaways Fusion irons to the JPX-800 pro's a few months ago. I have a natural draw and on bad days I can have a really strong draw to even a hook. I havent noticed any increase in my hooks or draws with the Mizunos over the Callaways. I actually have tighter groups with my Mizunos, but in all honesty I attribute that to work with my swing coach and lots of practice. I think that the mizunos have forced me to become more consistant with my swing do to their slightly smaller head size and less offset. The Fusions would disguise some of my mishits with their extra forgiveness and it would be difficult to tell where on the face that I struck the ball, but I can get distinct feedback with the Mizunos. And the Mizunos feel ooohhhhh soooooo sweet when you hit them in the sweet spot. I don't think that the Mizuno's will increase or decrease your hook, BUT,..... if your a 16 handicap and are working with a coach and playing frequently,..... then I think you would really enjoy the JPX-800 pro's. It will be easier to work the ball with the Mizunos when your game gets to that point than with your current sticks. Bottom line is try and demo the Mizunos and form your own opinion.

zgoldsmith23, The suggestions above are all good but I think they left out something that "I" feel is even more important than the brand of clubs you decide on or even weather or not they are game improvement or super game improvement or even a game enhancement type of club, and that is,....... GET PROPERLY FIT. Every person has a different swing,... for some it's a big difference and for others only slightly. Your swing, combined with your body size and type will determine what the specs of your clubs should be. A good club fitter can set you up with a set that fits you and your swing, and your budget as well.

Artimas, I think that set will serve your son just fine. I'm sure it will be much better quality than some of the complete sets you will find. Adams makes quality products even their lower line products are good products.

Rocky74, I would say that a lesson would help more than switching sticks. Golf is a game of inches,....... and thats after you make good contact with the ball,.... its a game of millimeters before contact.

brianm423, Congrats,.... I enjoy mine more and more each time I go out,.... well there are days I don't like any club in my bag,....lol I also play a midsize grip and had Mizuno put on a set of their blue/black Mizuno new decade midsize grips on. I went with the Dynalite XP shafts and love that high ball flight,.... especially on my long irons. I was surprised at just how quickly I got comfortable with my new 800pro's on the course. It's kinda surprising at just how popular the JPX-800 pro's are. When I went looking for irons I started off looking at Callaways and wound up at the Mizuno tent just for the sake of it, and low and behold that what I wound up with. I can just imagine at how popular they would be if Mizuno had the big advertising dollars that Callaway and Taylormade does.

Lizzyboy, Did you get a chance to demo the MX-1000 before you purchased them? If so, did you hit them well then? Some people have trouble mentally playing a big headed iron like the MX-1000. I hit them at a demo days and I was surprised at just how well I hit them, BUT,.... they were just butt ugly to me. If you were looking for a set of Mizunos,... I bet you would have liked the JPX-800 irons since they would have been more like the big berthas that you had played, but with newer technology with a hotter face and more forgiveness. I think the MX-1000 had two negative things working against them: #1 they were ugly and #2 they were pretty expensive, but they are a pretty forgiving iron. If you have your old big berthas,... I would suggest that you see how you still hit them. I would probably say your problem is more likely a swing flaw as opposed to being the MX-1000. Good luck,.........

Will the shop let ya take out a demo 6 iron in both the Mizuno and the Adams irons? I think that taking them to the range will give you a real world test and finalize your choice. I personally, don't like hitting off mats and get much better realworld feedback off grass. rustyredcab, I also switched from a set of Fusions that I had purchased new in 2005. It was kinda funny reading your comparision between your Fusions and the 800 pros, because distance control was also very difficult for me with the Fusions. I couldnt do punch shots or bump and runs with the Fusions and have any sort of distance control. I am much more consistant now with the 800 pro's, and yes,.... you are right about the addiction of the sound and feel of good shots with the 800 pros.

Ive hit both and yes your initional assessment of the differences if correct. The Titleist are good irons but the forged Mizunos are just like butter. The Mizunos have minimal offset and a thinner top line than most game improvement irons as well. You should try them both back to back and compare the difference.

Tmurry14, Since you're a 10 handicap you should take a look at the Mizuno JPX-800 pro irons. They are a forged game improvement iron that has less offset and a thinner top line than most game improvement irons, but best of all,... they just feel wonderful when struck well. I like that most companies are now offering a forged game improvement iron for us avid golfers who dont want a big clunky club but don't have the "game" for a players iron either. The JPX-800 pros still get good distance without jacking up the length and lofts to gain distance like some others do. The Callaway Diablo forged irons are a nice set but the are pretty $$$, and the AP-2 forged irons are nice as well but not quite as forgiving as the JPX-800 pros in my opinion. Good luck in your search.

I agree with you totally about going with a club that gives you confidence. When I ordered my JPX-800 pros I just ordered 4iron - PW, which knocked $100 of the price. I saw no need in getting either the 3 iron or the GW since I carry a 3 hybrid and I prefer my GW to match my sand and lob wedge which are X-JAWS. Just something to keep in mind is that if you carry a hybrid and a GW you might want to exclude those from your order as well.

I also switched from a set of Fusions that I purchased new in 2005 and my specs for them were +.25", and 2deg up. I just fell in love with the JPX-800 pro irons when I hit them at a large demo days. I had been working with a pga instructor weekly for a couple months prior to my purchase, and I had totally reworked my swing and thought I was ready for some new sticks since I was working weekly with my instructor and practicing daily. The Mizuno rep fit me by trying different shafts and lengths and then he measured my hands and wrist to floor measurement. He them gave me what my specs should be,.... He said regular length, 2deg flat, and midsize grips. Even though I trusted the Mizuno rep I thought that my specs had to be off since I had been playing +.25 and 2deg up on my Callaway fusions. When I took my specs the next day to my local golf shop who was hosting the demo days I asked if he would mind refitting me just to be sure there wasnt something odd going on with my swing at the time even though I was making great contact and hitting the JPX-800 pros wonderfully. He then set up a JPX-800 pro 6 iron with the specs that the Mizuno rep had stated and I then hit several balls with it. In the end he said that the specs that Mizuno suggested were pretty close to his. He suggested 3 deg flat instead of the 2deg flat that Mizuno stated but he said that was just a minor difference between the two and that if needed at a later time he could easily adjust the lie on them. I just found it so odd at how my specs have changed so much from the Fusions to the JPX-800 pro irons. I had disk replacement in my upper neck a year after getting the Fusions and then laid off playing for a few years. So when I started back playing,.... I made a point to get with a good instructor weekly and practicing what he taught me on a daily basis. So,... in the end maybe my swing change is what changed my specs so dramaticly, but I still cant figure out how I changed my lie angle by 5 degrees. Another odd thing, was that I hit it a little farther with the JPX-800 pros as opposed to the Fusions. My instructor attributed that to me making more solid contact with irons that fit me. But in the end,.............. I love the look, feel and sound of my JPX-800 pro's.

Kahuna80, If you just want an inexpensive set to learn on,.... Go by your local golf store and tell them that you would like them to fit you for your set of irons. That is usually a free service if you buy from them but it isnt too expensive if you dont. I would say just tell them that you are new and learning and would like them to adjust your Maxfli irons to fit you. They can adjust the length by adding up to 1 inch if needed and they can adjust the lie angle as well and they can determine the size and brand and model of grips that you need and want. And in the end,... you will know you are playing to your specs.

I have tried both irons and several other different brands and I just fell in love with the look and feel of the JPX-800pro irons. I really doubt you can find a forged iron that has the distance and feel that the JPX-800 pro irons have,.... and still offer you forgiveness. Now,.... they are not a club for the newbie looking for maximum forgiveness, but they do offer forgiveness when you make a less than perfect swing and will not painfully punish you on those miss hits. There is a good review on this website under the equipment reviews on the JPX-800 pro. It is a pretty spot on review. But,.... bottom line is ya gotta find what looks and feels good to you.

I've recently hit a few different 3 woods on a launch monitor and at a local demo days. In my opinion the "longest" off the tee 3 woods would be some of the new Titanium 3 woods. They all have a larger head size and usually have a lil longer shaft as well, and are pretty lightweight. When I recently upgraded my 3 wood I went with the Taylormade R-11 3-wood because I was looking for something that would be a little easier to hit off the deck and I liked the slim head design and 15.5 deg loft on my R-11 as well. But, from your post it seems your looking for a 3 wood that you will primarly hit from the tee box. I would say you ought to try and demo the following fairway woods and see which you like the best: Adams F-11 Ti, Titleist 910FD, Taylormade Superfast 2.0, and the Taylormade R-11 Titanium. Those four should all be long off the tee.

Yes, I agree that I do get "adequate" spin on full wedge shots,.... but on less than full swing shots or shots outta the rough its a total different story. I just think that the USGA and R&A; made a very poor decision on the new Condition Conforming groove rule. For the tour pro's and top golfers the change is almost unnoticable, but for the average golfer it is noticeable. In a sport that needs to attract new people, why make it more difficult for the average person. I think the ones who made this rule forgot who are the ones that finance and support the entire golf industry. Its not the tour players,...... it's the average golfer who buys the equipment and invests their hard earned money in various communities by paying green fees planning golf trips to play or to watch the pros play. There are ways to make it more difficult for the tour pro's without making a broad sweeping equipment rule change for everyone. Maybe i'm just too simple minded, but how about just let the rough get a little thicker and pick more difficult hole locations on the green on the Pro events. Oh well,.... I'll get off my soapbox now, because no matter what I still love this game.

I recently upgraded my wedges with a set of the new Callaway XJaws cc. I had previously been playing with a couple of the Taylormade rac wedges that were about 5 years old and also had one of the Callaway XJaws pre cc sand wedges. I could put pretty good spin on my old rac wedges even though they were getting pretty worn and I could just shred a ProV with the pre cc XJaws wedge. I just cant get the same kinda spin outta the new cc XJaws wedges compared to the pre cc wedges. I have seen many tests and they all suggest that the amount of lost spin is very small when comparing the pre and post cc wedges. In my " real world" tests I do see a noticable difference. Im just courious if others have found a noticable amount of spin loss as well.

inthecup, I recently went to a large demo day that featured every major company. I had been wanting a new set of irons since I knew my swing had changed as had my iron specs, since I had been taking lessons for the past few months and practicing daily. I tried the Cleveland CG-16 black pearl irons, Cobra S-3, Callaway Razr and Razr X-tour, and Diablo Forged, Taylormade Burner 2.0, Titleist AP-1, Ping G-15 and i-15, Adams CB-2, and the Mizuno MX-1000, JPX-800, and JPX-800 pro. My requirement that I had set for myself on what I wanted in my new iron set were: great feel on impact and great sound, good looks that inspire confidance, forgiving and have several shaft options to chose from to match "me". I'll give ya a little break down of what "I" thought of the following irons. Disclaimer: the opinions are mine alone and I realize that some of the irons that I did not like are some of the best selling irons. Adams: CB-2 black pearl irons,..... great looks and good feel,.... but just didnt make me say wow. Callaway: Razr just didnt suit my eye and the Razr X-tour just didnt have the feel that I wanted even though it looked a lil better than the Razr Diablo Forged - wow,... felt wonderful, they looked good and sounded good and were forgiving as well. unfortunately the Callaway rep was less than helpful about shaft options. I wasnt crazy about the uniflex shafts. I figured if I was spending over $1,000 on a set of irons I could have gotten a little more attention from the rep about different shaft options. Cleveland : CG-16 black pearl irons they looked great and felt and sounded just OK to me. Ping : G-15 and i-15,.... as much as I tried to keep and open mind neither of the Pings got me excited. Taylormade : Burner 2.0 they look pretty good but they are definately built for distance, but then again if you jack up the length and loft of a six iron to the usual specs of a five iron is it really a six iron anymore just because it has a six stamped on it? Mizuno : MX-1000 they were very very easy to hit but man they sure didnt appeal to my eye. JPX-800 they were easy to hit, looked good and were forgiving but just didnt quite have the sound and feel that I was looking for. JPX-800pro They looked great, had that wonderful soft feel and sweet sound when struck well, and were pretty forgiving. They were forgiving just enough that you would be barked at instead of bitten on a less than perfect swing. Titleist: AP-1 they were nice but just werent the total package for me. In the end the Mizuno guys tried many shaft options and fit the clubs just for me and my swing so I wound up with the JPX-800pro, and I love them more and more each day. The Callaway Diablo Forged irons were a great looking iron that also felt wonderful but the rep was less than helpful, so in all fairness to the club it was a very close second place to the JPX-800pro. Matter of fact if the Callaway rep had been as helpful as the Mizuno guys were I "might" have chosen them instead. But overall, I couldnt be any happier. Here is my suggestion: There are several different manufacturers that are making a game improvement forged iron now. You ought to take a look at some of the different ones out there. Good luck and hope you find a set that makes you fall in love with them

I get so annoyed when someone in my group asks to hit my new,... iron, driver, hybrid or whatever. I just dont like hitting other peoples clubs and get somewhat annoyed when others ask to him mine. I took a new stance recently. When a couple guys in my group wanted to hit my new driver I said,... fine hit away as long as you understand that if there is so much as the slightest mark on it you just bought yourself a driver. Seems after that they no longer wanted to hit it anymore.

I also don't have any brand loyality. I play Mizuno irons, Taylormade driver and putter, Cleveland fairway wood and hybrid, and Callaway wedges. I just try and play what works for me. I only know one or two people who play a single brand. I think the makeup of most peoples golf bags is almost as unique as a fingerprint.

That is something that has me wandering,...... What was the reason for the companies to add shaft length and deloft their irons? Was it just for the extra gains in distance? One would think that with all the advances in golf head shapes and metal technology today that they could make a club with conventional lengths and lofts. It seems to me that it could still be plenty long but could also be accurate and forgiving. I guess its easier to market a new club to newbies or the average golfer by saying that its the longest iron ever as opposed to saying they make an iron that has traditional lofts and lengths and is easier to hit well and is accurate than the "bomber" irons, but may not be as long. I'm not a club fitter or a club maker but this subject just had me thinking recently. It's almost like the companies are making clubs that are not really any "easier" to hit because they are jacking up the lengths and lofts just to add distance while they hope their head designs are forgiving enough to compensate for that.

Yeah,... When I told the guys at Mizuno that I had been playing a +.25 length they said my measurements and specs said I fall right in the center of the standard length. They also said that even though .25" dont sound like much that with my new swing overhaul I would probably be hitting the ball more consistant in the "sweet spot" more often with the standard length when compared with the added +.25". They also even proved to me by letting me hit the same club with a standard length shaft and with a shaft +.25" length shaft with impact tape on the face. It was obvious after hitting a few balls with each setup that my impact area was much smaller and in the center of the club face on the standard length shaft as when compared to the +.25" shaft. Its just kinda amazing to me how just a quarter of an inch can make such a difference. Funny thing is now I thought I would have lost distance with my new irons but im actually hitting my irons almost a full club length farther than I did with my old irons. It just seems odd to me that today so many companies are making clubs marketed as game improvement clubs and they say how much longer you can hit them and how hot the face is and so on and so on. But in reality in alot of cases they are adding length to the irons and delofting them which is making them "longer", but also makes them more difficult for the average mid to high handicapper to hit well. Simple fact is that if you have a club thats the loft of a 4 iron and the length of a 4 iron and then stamp a 5 on it that dont make it a 5 iron,... And we all know that a 4 iron is more difficult for the average guy to hit than a 5 iron. It just seems to me that golf companies know that is not really gonna lower a persons score or even really help them much but they are being forced to produce a product that the average Joe is asking for. The same can be said for alot of the drivers today,... they are adding more and more length to the shafts which does increase clubhead speed but usually at the price of control.

I started back playing about 9 months ago after a 4 year break from golf due to back surgery, " disk replacement". In 2005, I had purchased a new set of Callaway Fusion irons and was fit at my local golf shop. My specs for my Fusions were .25" longer and up 2deg lie. Well,... I have been working with a PGA pro instructor weekly for the past several weeks and I practice appx 3 hours daily,... tryin to build a muscle memory of the swing changes that my instructor is trying to instill in me. When I started back, I didnt just want a band-aid type of approach,.... so he had me start from the basics of grip, posture, stance, and then concentrate on ball contact on short shots and then slowly work from there upwards. I recently wanted to purchase me a set of irons with more feel than the titanium face Fusions provided, but would still be forgiving. I went to a local demo days and tried many different brands and models of irons and finally decided on the Mizuno JPX-800 pro irons. I was fitted by their rep and he said my specs were standard length and -3 deg lie down. Two different brand reps also fit me very closely to what the Mizuno fitting specs were. I then went to my local golf shop and had them re-fit me since I thought my specs were way off from what that golf shop fit me for 4 years earlier. They did and also came up with very similar specs to the Mizuno and other companies. My question is this: From a technical standpoint,..... Is it common for a persons club fitting over a few years to change that much? Was just curious as to what aspect affected the change the most,... my back surgery or the lessons? By the way,... I'm 6-02, 230lbs 40 years old and my driver swing speed is 106 - 110mph. And a little info on my swing is I used to hit a fade and sometimes a slice and now I have a consistant draw or straight ball flight or when I get too handsy I can get a hook. I'm just a kinda technical person and was curious, because I am striking the ball much better with the new irons.

This is an issue that many people debate. I'll give you my story, and hope I don't bore you too much,...lol I recently started back playing regularly last September after a 4 year layoff from the game due to back surgery. When I stopped playing in 2006 I regularly shot in the high 80's and even got in the low 80's some but would have a round every now and then in the high 90's on a bad day. When I started back in Sept, 2010 I would feel lucky to break 100 and then started shooting in the high 90's but kinda hit a brick road and stayed there. I decided to really start working on my game more and try and get better. I only play appx 4 full rounds a month on my home course BUT,... I practice appx 3 hours a day appx 27 days a month. I started working with a PGA pro instructor once a week for the past several weeks and I have seen a dramatic difference in my game,... especially on my short game from 140 yards in. So.... first off,.... take my advise as comming from an average Joe who is working hard to improve and not from a seasoned instructor with all the answers. I would say that if you strike your wedges and short irons really well that you will probably like the MP-60's from attack wedge through 8 iron, but the longer irons may be a little tougher to hit well in the sweet spot. I had been playing a set of Callaway Fusions that I had purchased new in Jan 2005, and while I was hitting them OK,.... I really wanted something that gave me more feel than the titanium face of the Fusions offered. I went to a demo days and tried just about every iron from every major company and in the end I chose the Mizuno JPX-800 pro forged irons, because they had everything that fit what "I" was looking for. They looked great, they have that classic and famous Mizuno feel and they are still forgiving on my shots that might not be perfectly struck. I will also add that the Callaway Diablo forged irons also felt great and looked pretty good and were still forgiving. Lately several different companies have started offering forged "game improvement" irons that look good and feel good. The forged game improvement iron catagory might be worth you looking into it. And the Mizuno fitting process is one of the best in the industry as well. So,.... good luck and hope ya find something that will give ya confidance when your over the ball. It has taken a few things to bring me my confidance,....#1 was my instructor, #2 was practice, practice, and more practice, and #3 was my JPX-800 pro's.

I recently added a new R-11 to my bag as well, although not at the price you got one for. I had purchased a Diablo Octane this past Christams that I got for $100 off msrp on a one day only after Christmas sale at my local golf shop. I hit it ok on the simulator at the shop, but when on the range and at the course it never gave me the confidance that my previous driver, an 09 Taylormade burner did. The local golf shop had a big demo days event at one of the local golf courses and just about every major golf company was there. I tried the new drivers from Nike, Callaway, Cleveland, and even tried the Burner Superfast 2.0. The razerhawk wasnt all that much different from my Diablo octane, and the Nike and Cleveland just didnt give me that warm fuzzy feeling inside. I hit the Burner Superfast 2.0 and when struck solidly it would really fly, but it had an odd sound on impact. It wasnt bad just not that high pitched "ting" sound that I have grown to love from todays drivers but, it was definately built for distance,.... it was really long but I just think that extra length of shaft punished me more than the gain in distance helped. I never tried the R-11 because I thought it was just a little too "gadgety". A week or so later I was at my local golf shop again and was "still" looking at drivers and decided for humor sake to try the R-11. I hit several balls on the simulator and got warmed up and then the sales guy said he would tweek it for "my" swing. Both, my Burner 09 and Diablo Octane are 9.5* stiff. So we started with the 10.5deg R-11 set at 9.5 deg loft with the sole at N and the weights with the 10g in the heel and 1g in the toe. I just wasn't getting the optimum trajectory so we moved it to 10.5 deg and then all the sudden I hit it really well and it seemed that it was easier for me to square the shorter shafted R-11 than some of the other "distance" drivers. I hit consistant draws in that configuration, but it was not as easy for me to get the ball to fade a little. In the end we finally left it at 10.5 deg loft and N sole plate, and swapped the weights and put the 10g in the toe and the 1g in the heel. I hit a few more balls on the simulator and seemed pretty happy, but I wasnt sold just yet. I then decided to take the club and demo it at my course and range a few days. After testing it out on the driving range and playing with it a few rounds I fell in love with it. It wasnt quite as long at the Superfast 2.0 or the Diablo Octane,.... BUT my shots were much more controlled and its much easier playing from the fairway than from the rough for me. I would say that its on average only about 6 - 8 yards shorter though. One other thing to note is how I was shocked at how the R-11 club head looks to be the same size as the Diablo Octane when standing over the ball. In the end I took the demo R-11 back to the shop and traded in my Diablo Octane for a new R-11 and had it regripped with one the Golfpride new decade mid size grips to match the rest of my clubs.