HawkeyeDan

What would you call what Arnie's doing there?

Sorry to resurrect, but I think this is what you mean? Arnold Palmer...found this on Google via Golf Digest. Sorry if not ok to post...

Thanks for the video, the golfer on the left could have been me! How long does something like this typically take to fix? Will I be fighting this for a while, or does a typical student get this fixed pretty quickly in general?

Hey everyone, I have a problem. I have been struggling with a snap hook or an off the planet block this season. Since its cold outside, I have taken two lessons with the hope of fixing my action. I have access to an indoor driving range over the winter, so although not ideal, I at least have somewhere I can take full swings and attempt to ingrain some new habits. I do not have video to share, but my instructor does and I have seen myself on video a bunch of times. I have a bad habit - great position at the top of the backswing, textbook according to my instructor, but I tend to start the downswing with my upper body leaning to the target. This means at impact my head is slight in front of the ball - not massively so, about right ear level with the ball. I play righty. So my sequence from the top is begin to lean towards the target, change my swing plane, cast, and then based on my timing the balls flies offline with a two way miss. Most days left of left, pull hooks. What drills can I do to stop this? We have strengthened my grip, worked on address position (which is good) and try to consciously keep my head back. I don't lunge as much, but still do some. What should I do? Any tips or drills to help? According to my instructor I not overswinging on the backswing. To make things more interesting, I am a natural lefty golfing righty. When I set up lefty, its not as big of an issue. I cant hit the ball, but if the work fixing my swing would be long and involved, I would consider switching to the left side. Same amount of work required? Willing to try anything!

Lefty here, but golf righty. I also played hockey and batted righty. Never could do it lefty. I am lefty in everything else though.

Right on - glad they are working for you!

Really? Are you referring to the Tour Wrap 2G's? If so, I actually hated those - no offense or anything. Completely cool if you like them. Just shows different strokes for different folks! The 2G's slipped on me at even a hint of moisture. And I thought they wore very poorly. Just my opinion.

Hey guys, I just regripped with these in midsize at the encouragement of my clubbuilder. I have to say I like them very much! They look a lot like the original Golf Pride Tour Wraps, but better? I haven't played them in a down pour or anything, so I cannot opine there, in normal conditions they stick to my glove like crazy. And the best part? Made in the USA (sorry brethren abroad) and are only $2 per! Really good product. I will circle back with a durability report, but my clubbuilder says they last a long time. We'll see. Anyway thought I'd pass that along.

Lets say I get my left hand in the correct position - do you like to see a similar "strength" in the right hand position? Where should the right hand be in relation to the left? Assuming I am playing right hand golf.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, and we are basically in agreement whereby I don't think anyone should do something because of a pro - their reason should be I do it because it works for me. I was more trying to argue with the person in the video - he basically said in essence to stay away from an interlock and then provided no real reason for a pretty broad-brush statement. You have an interesting take on the purpose of the grip to somewhat weaken your dominant hand. By that logic I'd assume you recommend that I use a reverse overlap grip for full swings - I am a lefty who is left side dominant in about every way except I golf right handed. I have always been told or read that the purpose is to unify the hands in some way so they work together. Can you elaborate on this idea? Thanks!

I guess I would tell that guy that 32 majors say otherwise...but in all seriousness, if he is using a strong left - weak right kind of grip, I could see how the interlock would make it pretty hard to get in that position.

I am in the same boat as you - I am a lefty who is left-side and left-eye dominant, but golf right handed. I also batted right handed in baseball even though I threw lefty. First clubs were my dad's, which were righty's. I have thought about switching to the left side off and on but never tried it. To me, it feels like starting over - nothing feels correct or looks correct when I grab a lefty demo and take some cuts at the golf store. Is there anyone who has successfully done this and has been better off because of it? It feels kind of like an all-in kind of thing, and I don't want to devote my time to it if fundamentally it won't make me any better ultimately. Is it fundamentally better to follow your dominant side? Does it matter at all? If it would make me better in the long run provided I put in the work I would make the switch.

Just to throw out a couple of items/clarifying points... The 10 finger grip basically is the same as the interlock or overlap with the exception of where you put the pinky of the lower hand. If the pinky of the right hand (for righties) is on the grip instead of overlapping or interlocking the left index, you are employing a basic 10 finger grip. It is the least common grip amongst the professional levels, but there are many examples of people using it effectively at the highest levels. One current player using a 10 finger is Scott Piercy on the PGA tour. He is a recent winner and you can find info on him and watch his swing on YouTube if you so desire. Jhonny Vegas also uses it sometimes (per vid and pics I have seen) but sometimes it looks like he is using an overlap also so I wouldn't call him an all-in 10 finger guy. Art Wall (has the most hole-in-ones in history) also used the 10 finger, along with Bob Rosburg and Dave Barr. There are others as well. A true baseball grip has the thumbs wrapped around the shaft, at least on the top hand. A recent example of this is Tommy Two Gloves Gainey - look at vid and pics and you'll see what I mean. As a righty, he has his left thumb wrapped around baseball style. This is a throwback to his baseball playing days, as he has stated in interviews. Interlock is popular on tour - Tiger and Jack used it of course, but it has also seen somewhat of a renaissance on tour. You can also find it employed by some of the young guns like Rory McIllroy, Rickie Fowler, Bubba Watson, and Nick Watney. Pretty sure Paul Casey also uses it. Those are just some I know of off the top of my head. Overlap is the most popular of the 3 grips used at the pro ranks. Many examples like Phil, Steve Stricker, Ernie Els, Adam Scott, etc. I think its incredibly short sighted to say any of them are better or worse than others. Everybody's swing and body is different - its probably best to experiment then commit to what works best. Do that which gets the ball in the hole in the least amount of strokes. Last I checked score cards do not contain a notes section where you indicate which hold you used for the round. That being said, research is good because there are considerations to be made regarding complementary steps you can take to match with which hold you use. I would agree with a previous poster that indicated that often times 10 finger gripper benefit from using slightly larger grips than what they might otherwise to compliment the added hand action they might get - this is a generalization though and might not work for everyone. But that is what is fun about golf - you can spend a lifetime tinkering with all the possibilities out there. No other game is like this, as far as I can tell. Sorry for the novel, hope this helps someone.

I feel pretty short now, lol. I am 6'1" with a 37" wrist to floor. I am extending my irons an inch (39" 5 iron) and pretty pumped about it. Got fit to .75" longer, but I thought I go 1" and choke down a little if I needed to. From what I understand, wrist to floor measurement is a lot more important that height, although taller usually equals longer arms also. Wrist to floor, although not more important than a true dynamic fit, is important because it dictates your reach. If your arms are short, you'll have to bend more, and vice versa. That's why you can have a guy like Ernie Els who I believe plays close to standard length because he also has longer arms.

All wearing gloves.

I am not sure what the problem is...with this set up you sound like you have a pretty manageable and consistent miss. Why change anything? I always seem to hear the "but, will it hinder me in the long run" argument...I guess I say play what works and see if the "long run" happens at all. If it does, then make some changes. If it doesn't, you should play some pretty good golf. Are you looking for justification? The hole doesn't care about how, it cares about how many.

I've been Playing Golf for: 3 years My current handicap index or average score is: High 80's My typical ball flight is: Right to left curve, sometimes big, sometimes small The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: Pull and Pull Hook I am 6'2" and have been trying to move to more of a one plane swing. I have spent most of my short golfing career as a 2-planer - and when you combined an OTT move with a fairly strong grip, I have been known to pull it off the planet. Because of my height I have found that I need to bend more at the knees, otherwise I tend to have a lot of roundness in my upper back. This swing is a good representation of what I am doing, however I want to point out I am well aware that I swung way too hard here. :) Would love to hear your thoughts/feedback/suggestions. One thing I noticed is that I tend to have a lot of right foot spin-outs - I have to dial it way back to have a nice pose at the end of my swing. I am assuming this is just basically because I am swinging too hard and coming out of balance, but if there is something else there, let me know. Thanks guys - glad to be a part of the forum. Videos:

No way these things would fit in my bag...

I did it just for kicks (I play some old Titleists) and I thought they were way upright. I know PING standards and others are not the same - I just got the hard numbers and had my set bent accordingly. Bent them flatter and hit the ball way straighter (was hitting hooks with the upright set up, even with shorter irons). Dynamic fit is the way to go. I was speaking with a PING fitter in my local golf shop the other day and he said that the web fit is actually only right about 15% of the time - its used more for a starting point.

Hey guys - long time reader/follower, finally pulled the trigger on getting a login so I could interact with you guys. Thought I'd make my first post on the grip. I have played most of the last few years with a neutral to weak grip with lots of forearm rotation to square the face at impact. My swing was very timing dependent, and on good days it was great, bad days were miserable. I found the forearm rotation to square the face method to be really easy for me to over or under cook. Over the winter, at the suggestion of two separate pros I changed to a strong grip. When I look down, I can see 3-4 knuckles on my left hand. Looks really strong from my perspective - however when I look at it in a mirror it doesn't look as strong as it is, FWIW. I tend to hold on for dear life through impact so I don't hit the smother hook. I love the ball flight off the tee, fairways, and longer irons. Where I struggle though is with basically anything lofted higher than a 7 iron. I am not sure if I am getting too steep or what but I tend to hit more wipes than before. The answer for me may be that I just take a weaker grip for the higher lofted clubs - although I hesitate to do that - I'd like to take the same grip for any stock shot. I guess what I am asking is what resources do I have at my disposal? Most likely my issue is a set up issue - but I am not really sure how to diagnose it or fix it. Is there a good place that I can turn to that would explain, "well, if you are a strong gripper, swing like this ___" and vice versa? Many of you have mentioned that a grip change effects the entire swing - if you then are making the change, how do you know what the "new" swing is supposed to look like? Appreciate your thoughts! Eventually I'll try to post a swing video for dissection and encouragement/discouragement. Thanks!