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that's harsh...he's nearly a billionaire that can sleep with anyone he wants to and i'm just your average joe with an opinion. maybe you should get over the fact that people still have morality issues with a man who clearly has morality issues. at any rate i think a cheater is a cheater. it's not at all like pedophilia, but would you want to live next to a child molester if your were promised he was reformed? hell no, not unless he was your best friend or brother and you absolutely knew what the truth was.

i still think it's like paying $10 less in gas than you expected and spending that $10 on a case of beer at the gas station while you waited for your car to fill up instead. you know...six of one and half a dozen of the other sort of thing. if i KNOW a shot is poor (and granted i'm a higher handicap than you fellas and i consider a fringe a good shot), then i count it as what it should be. a fringe is a good approach shot. a putt from the fringe (within reason) that goes sailing 30 feet past, is a poor shot. it's simple. the missed GIR is never the stroke that hurt my score on that hole. of course if i had instead hit the approach shot within 3' that would not be the case, but that is introducing an entirely different discussion. besides David in FL, who cares what the exact technical definition is?

Tiger is a great athelete and quite honestly i always loved him. at this point though, i have never really been able to get over the personal stuff.

7,004 yards, 72.8 rating, 132 slope. i shot a 91 today. i actually played probably the best golf i have ever played. i had a quadruple on one hole with a lost tee shot and a second shot into the water for an 8. i also had two birdie putts that ended up bogeys, and a final hole 4-putt finish (though admittedly, a 3-putt would have been acceptable considering my position). that damn 80s number is very elusive i've shot a 91, 92, and 93 this week...all on similarly rated/sloped courses. still all in all about a 14.7 handicap differential this week, which i'm darn proud of even if the number doesn't have an 8 to start with.

all i can say is that i hope fowler wins. i've always liked the guy because as outrageous as his clothes are, he has one of the coolest personalities on Tour. IMO i always thought it would be cool if a really good player came on Tour with long hair and a bunch of exposed tattoos, since that would be so incredibly taboo for golf. i think fowler is the closest thing we've got even if it's not close at all, but still i think uniqueness is very cool! what a showdown either way...woods vs. fowler!

No problems here, but buy used. Because you may play on a tougher course one day and you won't be happy when five $4 balls go missing... FYI I bought a 50 pack of TM Tour balls from lostgolfballs.com yesterday for $25 with free shipping. Can't be upset when you lose a 50 cent ball that plays like a $4 ball.

I hit two fringes yesterday and then 3 putted for bogeys. I was very disappointed with the bogeys because of the 3 putt. The reality is that the putting strokes were flat out poor. Had I not counted the fringe as a GIR and not counted the first putt from off the fringe a putt, then where would I place the blame (from a statistics perspective) on the bogey finish? I think it has to be the putter and not the approach shot, but maybe others disagree. The truth is in both of those scenarios the first putt from off the fringe was the poorest shot on each hole, and that is why I would call it a putt.

that's a pretty bold statement for a 12 handicap...that is unless you don't hit your long irons and 3 woods well still either... i'm about a 16 and i don't have any issues with long irons or my 3w. it's usually around the green where i struggle. though will sound off again and say that moving forward a tee and using 3w instead of driver is kind of a cheat to get better scores, not a solution. i personally wouldn't feel prouder of myself by scoring lower via that method, just because a driver is a vital part of the game sans shortcuts.

haha! did you recently have corrective eye surgery go wrong?

What was the consensus?

Just a question because I don't know, but does Hank Haney pretty much say the guy sucks in his book? Do we know if any of that is true?

i guess, i mean it just makes one look bad and the other look better in either scenario. as golfingdad pointed out, it's all your stats so whatever you feel is more relevant. yesterday i hit a 9i into a green where the pin was front left, maybe 6' from the fringe. it landed on the left fringe and i had a 10' putt for birdie. i could have gone for the middle of the green and had a 30 foot putt for birdie but that seemed less logical. so, in that scenario saying GIR and calling the fringe putt a real putt seems a lot more realistic than calling a 30 foot putt a GIR and a putt.

i'm sure there has been a poll before. how many people on here like tiger? i think he is an interesting figure, certainly in the top 5 of best athletes of all time. i'll give him that. but his personality via television and his very poor (and downright wrong) marital decisions make me think that if he didn't have athletic ability, he would not have many friends and probably be a recluse. he just seems unfriendly, selfish, and morally apathetic. it's hard for me to fathom that anyone likes tiger as tiger (instead of tiger as an athlete), that is unless they personally know him and see he is a good person (maybe this is true) or are just ignorant? my grandfather is a very devout christian who at first was angry at tiger and now has brainwashed himself into believing tiger is a good person now and he enjoys watching him win.

really just wanted to butt in and say how interesting it is the number of people that come to this thread and post what they do, and then when you look at their total posts, it's under 5. in fact i perused just a few pages and there were many people that had only one post. lol who comes to a golf forum to tell everyone what their occupation is and then leaves???

that is true. i would prefer to count the fringe as a putt if you use your putter, since it really isn't that much more difficult than a regular putt. that puts me at 4 GIR and 40 putts, oh my. can i blame the sandy greens again?

yeah, that is very interesting. also interesting why they didn't make the average difficulty an even 100...why 113? it's pretty much impossible to find a course around here less than 130, unless you want to play at under 6k yards. i have in fact never played a course over 6k yards with a slope of anywhere near 113...i didn't think that existed.

i played yesterday and on the first hole i hit my driver 263 yards, and on my second hole i hit the 3w and i hit it 263 yards also. normally my driver is closer to 270 and the 3w closer to 240 though. really those 30 extra yards can make the difference between a hybrid and a 6 iron. i'm much more accurate with the 6 iron. it would seem silly to me to move up a tee and throw out the driver as well. are you really playing better or just cheating the game a little bit? plus all the penalty shots are worth it to me to belt one out 335 yards every now and then. let's face it: the driver is a fun club when hit right, and probably more fun than any other club in your bag.

agreed, not to mention a heck of a lot of fights on the course start this way. does anyone feel like yelling "four" is like honking a horn...i.e. anyone can do it and no one who hears it really knows who it is directed at? i feel like any time i hear "four" on the course i head for cover, even if it's a guy yelling it from 3 holes over. they should invoke some kind of "four" rule whereby you also say the hole you're on.

you aren't kidding. non-environmental factors were out in droves yesterday. the greens had been aerated and sanded, and they also had a big aerating machine doing the fairways and fringes. it was like hitting out of divots if it landed in one of those aerated holes, and putting on sand is about as silly as sanding a putter.

i'm in the midst of my calculation, but so far at a 16. i do not hit many GIR. i hit 4 yesterday which is actually better than average (average maybe 2). i make about 1 birdie every 3-4 rounds, although yesterday i had 7 birdie putts, 4 from GIR and 3 from just off the fringe. fringe is a very popular spot for me, i wish it counted as a GIR or at least .5 GIR heh.

nice, thanks. i guess the key here is the average drive distance they use for the calculation base. someone who averages 200y off the tee would have a hell of a time playing a 7,000 yard course.

no doubt, you could definitely impress me at a +1. i just was curious how far in professional tournaments (assuming no improvement) a +1 could go.

i suppose that makes more sense, although i used my wedges quite often. i think the big distance issue on that course was on the par 3s. i played a 4i, 6i, 6i, and 3h on them. most of the par 4s were 400ish yards.

i played a course yesterday that was 7,000 yards rated at 74/134. i noticed the next tees up were 6,400 and then up from there was 6,000. the slope and rating dropped off dramatically for both of those. i am a pretty long hitter and chose to play from the tips and had one of my better rounds this year clocking a 92. i never felt the course was too long for me, but i did feel like play around the greens was very tough. particularly there was a lot of water, steep slopes, thick rough, and the greens were very difficult to read. in addition (but unrelated to this post), the greens were sanded and the fairways and even the fringe of the greens had been aerated, making many shots/putts much more difficult than they should have been. i definitely felt like the greens and areas around it made the course hard, not the distance. at any rate it got me thinking, why such the significant dropoff in slope/rating the closer you get to the pin, when the real tough aspect of the course seems to be around the pin itself? i.e. i don't think my scores would have improved much at all if i played other tees, since the real score killer for me was short game on this particular course.

i did it yesterday. par 5 and some guys were on their third shot, i was playing from the tips. i drove it about 330 which is very unusual for me, and in fact i think it may have hit the cart path. at any rate, it was only about 20 yards behind them, and when i came up to my ball they told me to play through. i really didn't want to play the whole "i didn't mean to, i've never driven that far in my life" card, but it was true for that moment.