jfrain2004

Path was directly between ball and green. Nearest point of relief was probably the other side of path as there was only a thin slip of ground between the path and oob (small bushes on all of it) all along which the path was interfering with my stance or swing.

I was out at the wknd on a course that I had never played before in a society. My tee shot came to rest between line of golden furz bushes and cart path. I looked at the lie and figured I could advance this ball nicely down the fairway. It wasnt the bush that was bothering me but the cart path. Playing partners were high handicappers ( I'll explain why this was relevant ) and only issue they saw was the bush, not the fact that my ball was about 12" from the edge of the path right along the OOB line. They could not see how a concrete path that was almost 1ft in front of my ball could be deemed to be interfering with my swing. I have spent lot of time and money to get my swing where I am coming down on the ball with -3 or -4 Deg angle of attack and bottoming out maybe 4 to 5" in front of the ball. My club was most definitely going to catch the path. The two guys I was with couldnt grasp this and said any relief I get would be from the bush ( 1 drop shot ) and not free relief from the path which because if they were hitting it then they would have no issue with the path. ie High handicappers only see whats behind the ball, not whats in front of it. Ask a scratch golfer to hit a ball 3" infront of a concrete path. Easy, just hit it cause they are not concerned with whats behind the ball as they will be striking a descending blow. High handicapper on the other hand is going to be coming down in most cases a few inches behind the ball and will be put off by the path behind the ball. I just punched it out from where it was as didnt want to upset any one. So in short what would you have done. ?

Been told these are courses are all 6000+ so assuming most par 4s are 300+ and the par 5s are 500+. When I hear BS I have to call it out. This guy needs to be packing a game equal to or better than most guys in the bottom half of the 150-175 RTP stats to be shooting the scores I'm being asked to believe. Didn't use the keyword RTP when I was googling. Thanks @DaveP043 for that 🙂👍

Any one know where I can get stats for PGA players, specifically their average score from say 150 yards. Need to settle an argument where guy tells me his dad can play in low 70s while only driving ball ball off the tee 160 yards. He has an excellent short game in fairness but I'm thinking not PGA standard. I'm firmly in the long game camp. You can't shoot low consistently unless you driving it long, certainly longer than 160

Been trying to sharpen up distance control this year from 40 yards and in. Had a nice round going yesterday until a 5min shower of rain passed over us. Up to that point my bump and run were going the distances I have practiced them at ( always dry when I practice ) with little to no ground conditions changed with the rain, just the grass, ball and club face now wet, what was going 40 yards for me for the shots I needed up to that point were now going 50 yards plus for very similar lies, and swing length. So trying to figure out why I hit most/all my bump n run shots longer than required after the rain. Guess I will need to go practice bump n run in the rain but my theory is that the ball checks up lot less in wet conditions, firstly because I get less back spin on the ball because of wet ball and wet club face and secondly, when ball lands it will not check as much because the slippery surface even if it did have as much back spin on it as it would have if ball and club were both dry. The amount of rain it made did absolutely nothing to make the greens softer. Any thoughts appreciated

Been hearing this from my instructor and seeing it on the trackman optimiser that the ideal launch conditions for the driver is high launch with low spin. So what would actually happen if golf ball was launched at say 15 deg and had zero spin and initial ball speed was say 150mph. How would it compare to say 2500rpm with all other parameters the same

As my coach says don't guess what you can measure. Get yourself shotscope and then you'll see where you are really coughing up the shots against golfers of similar abilities. Them darts over the green that you blame on your short game might not be an issue with better approach shots or more distance off the tee.

Have yo yoed between week, neutral,strong grips the past few years and never got consistency across short pitch shots through to full swing with driver. Weak grip gave me reliable contact and nice ball flight with 50 yard to 100 yds pitch shots but just couldn't make it work on full swing. Strong grip gives me great distance and contact on full swing but more than the occasional chunk shot on short pitch shots costing me double bogey or worse whenever it happened. Then it dawned on me, why not just use weak grip for pitch shots, less shaft lean and more of a brushing the turf swing, and then on full swing use as strong a grip as possible for more distance and better contact. Results have been mind blowing. Such pity it's close season as track man numbers are right where I want them to be. Any one else with dual grip thing going on?

I use shotscope and find that is a big down side to it. I'm pretty consistent with my irons but I'm one of those golfers that uses all my irons around the green, depending on how much carry or roll a particular chip shot requires. I find myself having to edit a round afterwards and mark all my chip shots as using gap wedge as it throws off otherwise good stats on how long I hit my irons. 5 flushed 9 irons raging from 135 to 145 makes for a nice average of around 140. But 5yrd green side chip with my 9 iron then reduces my 9 iron average to around 115.

Are duff shots counted in average driving distance stats. I mean if you hit your first 9 shots down the middle for average of 250yrds, but then top your 10th and it goes all of 1yrd then is your avg driving distance now 2250/10 = 225 yards?

Another thing I think that makes guys think its all about the short game is they see the pros make it look so easy that they themselves ( My bro included ) think that they can put it inside 20ft from 100 yrds out if they just had time to " practice a bit more ". Now if I could just get it on the fairway, even if its only a 150yrds drive, then my great short game will see me putting for birdie. No one looking at the build and swing of Jon Rahm on a par 5 is going to go home, start benching 100kg, dead lifting 200kgcause tjhey think they going to drive the ball the way he does. But they far more likely to look at him 60 yrds out, stopping her dead 6ft from the hole, and think, yea, I could do that.

Just read Mark broadies book and finished 2nd season with shot scope. All the stats point to what the book told me. It's all about the long game. Got down to 3.5 during the year ( back to 6 now )and only practiced and took lessons on long game. Previous years I would prob have biased my practice on short game. Shot scope still tells me v a scratch golfer that I'm coughing up 4 shots with long game while 100 yards in is costing me 1.5 shots, and putting sees me lose another 1 stroke. Even with the stats staring me in the face I can't convince the bro that if he wants to get from 20 to single digits that is the long game he needs to sort. His stats telling him v a single digit capper that he's giving up 7 shots on the long game and just 3 on short game but refuses to believe. What's is the general consensus on the mark broadie shots gained method of analysis?

Its the performance and feel of them. Get lots of spin and hence control in approach shots. Very easy to hit. You think their iron equivalent would not tick the same boxes?

Got a set of 3 of the callaway MAck Daddy wedges and love them. So much that thinking of replacing my taylormade irons with Callaways. Question is which irons best match the feel, look and performance of the Mack Daddy wedges? I do like the Rouges and could be tempted to buy them. Havnt tried any other Callaways.

I have a swing speed of 89mph for my 4 iron as per trackman with total carry of 185 avg. I have guys ofter ask me where my 3 iron is but I tell them my 3 iron carry distance is at best equal to my 4 iron because I dont have the head speed to get it airborn for any longer with the lower loft. 2 iron is a lot less carry. So 4 iron is effectively my cut off iron. One guy in particular I play with doesnt buy into the physics behind launch angle and launch speed and why you have a certain loft after which you start to lose distance because of this. If a lower loft iron always sends the ball further then we would all be hitting 0 deg irons and sending the ball into the next timezone. What I have been trying to get on the internet is a chart/graph showing the carry v iron for different max head speeds of different golfers. Any one know of any site that might have this?

Back playing golf a few months after almost 10 yrs away from it with kids and stuff. Taking a while to get the sharpness around the green which I know will come but its been the long irons that are hard to nail now and not seeing any week to week improvement ...... till last Sat. I had been working on my short game with open stance ( about 30deg open ) as I always used for short/medium pitches and I decided why not try this for all shots as not as flexible as in the past. Was absolutely amazed at the results. Few yrds given up as ball flying higher for all clubs but man were they straight and solid hits giving consistent distance which is far better than getting 160 one shot and 140 next time. Any one else started using an open stance?

Set a backyard practice area up for £30. Have a driving range 1/2 mile down the road but kids and a wife means that even that is a stretch to get to. The important thing to remember is don't waste your time getting an expensive kevlar ( if they make em ) type net. I went through 2 nets in a matter of days. A net has to soak a lot of forces when a golf ball hits it, esp if it is tight. What I did was took the two nets I busted put them on top of each other like you would with two tee shirts say. Presto. Sum of the parts is greater. I haven't put a ball through it in 3 years. And the net has been outside through hail rain and snow. Also got a great matt off the local range when they got new ones fitted. The new ones got ripped to shreds inside a few months and they even asked me if they could take back the one they gave me, but told them I had thrown it out . lol

I have given up on my driver, RIP. It got subbed last dady on the 10 Tee box after a 10 over front nine. Drives were that skewed I saw parts of the course I never knew existed. My 3H Diablo came off the bench and did the job. 7 out of 7 fairways hit and just went long on one par 3. Dropped just one stroke over the back nine and that bogey was not because of a lack of distance but just a poor 8 Iron in. The way I see it is I'm getting greedy again. Confidence is back. I get approx 200 yrds with the 3H but if I could push it out and get 210, maybe 215 it would be leaving me with a lot more birdie chances. So ye guys got any suggestions for the next rung in the ladder? I have no brand allegience. I have both the 3H and 5H Diablo Edge hybrids in the bag and both see some serious use.

True, I always wait if the group is just at the limit of my tee shot distance. I know from experience there is nothing worse than playing an approach shot and hear a "thump" behind you as some clown has just teed off while I am about to shoot my second. And if I'm on the tee box and think if I hit my career shot here then I could hit those guys in front then I wait. No point in being afraid of hitting a good drive. However, when a golfer has just "Nailed" a 200 yarder off the tee and he goes up to his ball for the second shot, then simple laws of physics kick in. You can break most laws in the land but you can't break the laws of physics. If the same golfer is then presented with a 300+ approach shot then it is simply rediculous to suggest they could hit it over 300. Impossible. So giving the 4 ball on the green in that case a breathing space behind them will mostly result in them spending too long on the next tee box talking about the eagle they could have got on the last hole. .... ie more slow play.

clarkgriswold hit it on the nail. The guy that hits it out 180yrd on a par 5 then waits for green to clear before hitting his next 350yrd 3 wood is the type of golfer I can't hack. And D-Man is spot on as well with the guys that play with dimpled golden nuggets. They hit a ball OOB and proceed to follow it. Courses are to blame here for allowing gaps in their perimiter that encourages guys to go looking for balls they have hit OOB. Am I correct in saying that according to the rules of golf you are qutomatically disqualified from a competition if you leave the course ie go to retrieve a ball that is OOB?

As an ex weekly golfer that can't hack 5hr+ games of golf who thinks this would work in club golf. Bit like you have for speed control on a road except in reverse. Every 4 ball is clocked out, at a given time, then they're told, see ye back in the clubhouse at 4Hr from now. If not then ye're disqualified unless the 4 ball directly infront of ye did not make it back in the desired time. Then the other 3 guys in the group are your time keepers and vice versa. If that's too fast for your pace then yopu could have different blocks of Tee times say 10Am to 11Am where the alloted time is 4:15 , 11Am to 12Am alloted time is 4:30 etc That way you can pick the pace that suits you. I hate to say it guys but the game is dying on it's feet and I'm not the first player in our club to call it a day because the pace of play is too slow.

Hmmm, this thread is a great laugh. Guys getting all worked up about whither they are up against legal equipment or not. What is needed IMHO is more illegal equipment for all the hackers that I see out every day holding up play so they can actually get a round in under 5 hrs. I've had to stop playing weekly golf 2 years ago because I simply don't have the time to spend over 5 hrs on a course on a Sat morning and playing at sunrise before the hackers get out is not an option either. It wouldn't bother me in the least if I play the round of my career and get beat by a guy with a 10ft putter, good luck to him. I just want to get 18 holes in and do it in 4hrs like I used to be able to do. The problem is not the equipment, its all the guys who's opinion of their golfing ability far exceeds that same ability. Actually think I will start another thread on this slow play thing ... :) just to rise some people

My swing has gone under the knife with my golf Instructor big time this year and finally startinig to see the benefits on the course. The "hope I don't duff this one with my mates looking" feeling is being replaced with "I hope them boys are looking when I nail this f**ker" Out on the course last evening and I was hitting some decent drives but all were starting straight, going a bit too high and fading right 10 or 20 yrds. I play the ball for my driver in a straight line with the inside of my left foot as per my golf instructor but noticed that when I have my hands level with the inside of my left thigh ( ie, an inch or two behind the ball ) that the fade is replaced with a straighter more penetrating flight. I always setup with my hands in front of the ball with my irons and hybrids ( I guess hands are level with inside of my left thigh ) but is it the case with this "Hands level with inside of left thigh" rule at setup that they will be behind the ball for the driver? ( next lesson is not for 3 more weeks so may not see the Pro in the mean time )

Is there much benefit to be gained from paying for a fitting session and then going off any buying a second hand club off ebay that suits the reccomendations the fitter gives me or does it have to be the latest and greatest driver I get to gain the most benefit? $$$ is the problem and I don't have the cash to justify spending it on a brand new driver if I can gain almost as much from buying the correct driver but a used one instead. My Pro tells me that my swing speed of 102 and distance of 220 - 230 simply does not add up and that the problem he thinks is the shaft. I'm currently playing with King Cobra F speed Head and a Prolaunch Red stiff shaft.

I have 2 Cally hybrids, Diablo edge 21* and 27*. The lowest one only goes to 18 Deg but I was hoping to get something a bit lower. Any one reccomend a similar club but in a slightly lower loft? 15 or 16* would be good.