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Sorry that does not intimidate me as I have a MSEE, with over 30 years of engineering experience with Professional Licensure so I know a thing or two about physics myself. As for your comments about instructors is quite condescending. One of the best instructors alive today knows a whole lot more than you or I do and strongly disagrees with you analogy. His name is Butch Harmon and I quote him. [quote]Extend your right arm for pure contact and better ball flight. [U]Good ball-strikers tend to "stay with the shot" well after impact. That means they continue to accelerate the club-head and keep it relatively low to the ground, letting it come up only when it can't track close to the ground any longer.[/U] This is a sign they've really caught the ball flush and created a strong, piercing ball flight.[/quote] [URL=http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/stay_low_after_impact.html]SOURCE[/URL] What Butch is saying is what you hear many time when you watch a tournament from commentators like Johnny Miller when he says: He CHASED AFTER THE BALL. Meaning the player kept his body, hands, and arms accelerating through impact and through to the target. I can find another dozen top name instructors if you wish like Flick, Ledbetter. Pelz (Pelz is a physicist) , all of which make a lot more money than us teaching PGA pros that will say basically the same thing. I understand the club head physically slows down at the moment of impact. What I and most instructors are saying is [U]you do not quit accelerating at impact[/U] stay down on it and chase it all the way through to the target. Try telling Gary Player and Arnold Palmer they do not keep accelerating after impact. Their swings are famous for it because they went after it so hard after impact. When you do that you have your weight and momentum behind the club adding to its mass to drive through the ball. Just like the analogy of a boxer. I will trade anyone one punch and let them have the first swing providing they do as you suggest just throw a round house arm punch, no weight behind it, with all the speed you can muster, and no follow though to the target. Th opponent will not be able to move or hurt my much unless you catch me in the mouth and cut my lip. But that will not take me out When my turn comes I am going to deliver a power overhand right, with right elbow down, all my body weight behind it, and follow through until my body is completely extended. The victim will be flat on the ground taking a nap with likely a broken jaw. That is the point I am trying to make [U]you[/U] do not quit accelerating at impact. You drive through to the target.

OK Jamo you seem to be one of the more open minded Admin/Mods on this forum.Take a look at Tigers super slow mo with a 6 iron and note how far ahead his hands are at impact. There is is only 1 physical way to do that. This is HD Super Slo Mo stop action film. No distortion. The club head does not catch up to his hand until about 6 inches past the ball. Put another way the shaft and left arm do not form a straight line until well past the ball. There is no doubt about it. He accelerated through the ball. [VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNh6mGTfK-w[/VIDEO]

You think? :-D Try to put that swing thought in your head and hit at the ball and see what happens. Or you could do what the Pros do and KISS by just accelerating through the ball to the target. The secret is a constant and deliberate acceleration through impact. and crack the whip in front of the ball toward the target.

Ever seen George Foreman or Bruce Lee throw a 3-inch knock out jab before? Do you really think they quit at impact, or followed through the punch driving with everything they have at the opponent to the ground?

You just made my point. an early release is casting the club or throwing the club at the ball. Video evidence of good bunker players is over whelming proof because the club club passes the ball out of the trap. See for yourself. Dave Pelz is a Physicist aka Rocket Scientist turned Golf Pro. As for me I am just a retired engineer who enjoys teaching. [VIDEO]http://www.pgatour.com/video/r/instruction/swing_coaches/2010/11/15/inst_pelz_bunker_tip9_10ms1340.pgatour/index.html[/VIDEO] Edit : not sure why the link does not come up as a picture.However it works if you click on it.

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I respectively disagree and so do physics and the major majority of instructors. Using the thought you imply is a guaranteed method to promote casting the club and coming over the top. The objective is not hitting the ball. The objective is swinging through to the target. The ball just gets in the way and goes for the ride and gets in the way. The human brain and body is not capable of timing what you suggest. I certainly cannot even begin to teach that. What I can teach, and the brain/body can do is accelerate through the ball. It is very easily to visualize by cracking the WHIP just ahead of the ball, not at the ball as you suggest. The swing does not stop at impact. The biggest mistake beginners, intermediate, and novice golfers make is they accelerate the club at the wrong target or object. Again the object is not the ball, it is the target. If you focus on the ball you will actually be decelerating at impact. There will not be any lag or shaft bend at impact. The club shaft will have already straightened out and starts slowing down causing the club head to catch up or even pass the hands which adds loft and a weak high hit. The secret is to hit through or past the ball to the target. As I stated earlier when you think or try to hit the ball, you accelerate your club at the top of the swing to the ball and will reach its maximum velocity before it makes impact. Accelerating too early will result in either a "cast" from the top, over the top, or an "early release." In either case, the club is actually slowing down by the time it makes impact with the ball. Therefore the big SECRET is constant acceleration is needed to ensure a lagging club head through impact. The only way in the Mind’s Eye is to accelerate or hit through to the target and Crack the Whip at the target past the ball, not at the ball. Here it is in action Notice the bend in the shaft and hands leading the club. There is only 1 physical way to do that: Accelerate through impact.

Sure it does. It is especially important on those short iron shots, pitches, and green side bunkers to generate backspin. It is also important on drive to compress the ball just a little more and keep it on the club face for that extra micro-second to give it that one last bit of compression to bounce off of. So your maximum club head speed just after impact when the ball leaves the club face. It is just pure science that applies to many applications to accelerate through impact like a boxer throwing a punch, or a tennis racket hitting a ball. Here is a good example by Dave Pelz on bunker shots demonstrating the importance. [VIDEO]http://www.pgatour.com/video/r/instruction/swing_coaches/2010/11/15/inst_pelz_bunker_tip9_10ms1340.pgatour/index.html[/VIDEO]

As mentioned already it is the club head which should still be accelerating through impact. In reality what most do not understand the hands and arms have already started decelerating assuming a full swing at impact. They have to in order for the shaft to unload the stored energy during the downswing. to allow the whip to crack as I call it for the lever between arms and club shaft to straighten out aka lag. Maximum club speed happens when the shaft unloads and forms a straight line with the lead arm. If the hands and arms are still accelerating at impact, then the club shaft would still be loaded (bent) and lagging to far behind. You need the lever to be straight in line with the lead arm at impact for maximum club head speed and acceleration.

If golf was easy and everyone could play scratch, they would call it bowling.

The best defensive team is the one that sits on the bench most of the game.

That argument cannot be made, you loose the argument as soon as someone says Basketball.

So how did I get an Avatar when I never uploaded one?. I know the picture, but who assigned it to me and stole it from my puter without MY PERMISSION?

Self explanatory. Any body else notice?

Here is a different alternative to consider. I have a Sky Caddie and it sets at home collecting dust. I do not care for them have to log in on a computer and down load the courses you play, and th every limited information. What I use today is my Android Cell Phone using Golf Logix. They are not limited to an Android, any of the newer cell phones can run it. Every Cell Phone has a GPS receiver in them so Big Brother can track you. It can also be used by applications. The Golf Logix has both a free limited service, and full featured service for $20/year? It provides much more information than my Sky Caddie does. Does not mattery what course I want to play. Start th eapp and it loads whatever course you are playing. It will keep your score, stats, handicap if you wish to enter it. You can log into your account from any computer and see all your scores, and even shot by shot if you enter it while you play.

Does not surprize me one bit as the SW and LW are the most sought after Eye 2 clubs ever. When all the skuttle started people bought as many as they could afford and get their hands on. Look around on Flea Bay for a BeCu Eye 2 SW or LW and note the prices. I have seen ones in good shape go for $400. If you recall in 2010 is when Phil Mickelson put a Ping Eye 2 SW in his bag at Tourey Pines and Scott McCarron accused Phil of cheating in public. Well Phil was not cheating as it was allowed and within the rules and Scott had to apologize. However that was the last straw. After that incident the PGA membership convened and change the rules again and said no more Ping Eye 2 or square grooved clubs can be used in PGA tournaments. I am surprised Ping did not sue the PGA for breach of contract from an earlier out of court settlement made in 1993. Anyway they are still legal in USGA events.

Like everything else in life: You Play Your Money, and You Take Your Chances. Some win, most lose. It is the Law of Nature and old as Earth.

OK I take it then you will take someones money when you know full well they will not take your advice or take the medicine. As long as you get paid, you are OK with it right? Like I said I do not do this for a living. I do it for the pure joy of it and even coach a High School team for free, and volunteer at my local First Tee Program. I do more for free than I do for hire.

The man has been playing golf for over 30 years and has had countless lessons. The key for him to be able compete in any type of tournament is an honest handicap. That is the point of the whole thread. A Vanity Golfer is only fooling and hurting themselves. That is why no one bothers to call them on turning in a inaccurate score card. The poor guy thinks he is a Sand Bagger As for myself I will not take someones money unless I think I can help them and earn what I am paid to do.

No I did not say it like that, I just politely declined and said it would help if if turned in truthful scores. I have known this man for some 20 years, and he has been playing over 30 years. He is in his late 50's and unteachable. I will not take peoples money I cannot help. I don't instruct to make a living. I am already retired.

I know it is harsh but true. Every course has regulars who are Vanity golfers and same goes for Country and Golf Clubs. Most know what a Vanity golfer is. If you do not know or are one please read on. A Vanity golfer is the opposite of a Sand Bagger. Both are cheats and liars. Sand Baggers gets called out by other members. No one calls out a Vanity golfer because they are Pigeons waiting to be plucked. A Vanity golfer, like a Sand Bagger, has a problem counting strokes during regular play at their course and turns in their score for Handicap. They seem to forget at each hole how many strokes they really took. Whent they shoot an 8 on a par 4, they record a 5 or 6. So by the end of the round they record something like a 88 instead of the 110 that they really shot and enter it into the Handicap scoring system. Everyone knows what they have done and never complain or say a thing. They end up with a Handicap like 16 when it should be 30 or 40. Now here is where the stupid part comes in. You enter a tournament or money game that is handicapped. Every time you end up at the bottom of the leader board because you are stupid, a liar, and a cheater. You are everyone's favorite pigeon to pluck. During a tournament you do not get to keep your score, your opponent keeps it and he knows you are a Vanity golfer and he counts your real strokes. Instead of you shooting your average of say 88 with a 16 handicap to post a 72 net, you shoot 120 for a 104 net and so far on the bottom of the leader board you do not even exist. You just lost all your money with no chance to win you Pigeon. You have been plucked. OK the only reason I bring this up is today at the course one of our Vanity golfers ask me to give him lessons. He stated he wanted to do so because because he could not ever score well in a tournament. I snickered at him and declined. He then asked why so I told him" " I said you are a Liar and a Cheater, and no amount of lessons is going to improve your tournament play. You will never be able to win or place being a Vanity golfer " His reply was: " everyone does it, why are you singling me out ?" I said: " because I cannot fix Stupid. You do not know the difference between a Sand Bagger and a Vanity Golfer ". That is where our conversation ended. I will let someone else explain the difference to him, but I have doubts he will understand the math. :-)

Flat lead wrist only applies if you use the modern golf two-plane swing. One-Plane swingers or turners Supinate ( flatten) their lead wrist at the top of the back swing, and Pronate through impact when they release the club. If they do not they hit the dreaded double cross left pulled snap hook for right handers.

Well that is very true. 9 out of 10 of those people are already athletic and there bodies and minds already understand the mechanics. Baseball, tennis, and hockey players make excellent students, especially if they are younger. Adults are the hardest to instruct, especially if they have been playing for some time without instruction. Give me a Jr High or High School kid who is a decent baseball player and I will have him making solid contact in just a few lessons. And if the kid puts some real effort into it and makes a commitment, I can have him playing collegiate golf with single digit handicap.

From a Golf Instructor POV I understand what you are going through. Please do not take this wrong but I cringe when I have an older student who has been playing for some time without proper instruction or self taught, and then comes to me for lessons. Only way I will accept those kind of students is IF they take at least 6 to 12 lessons. Reason is obvious because of what you are going through right now. YOu have a lot of bad habits and muscle memory none of which is near correct or acceptable parameters. It takes a long time to un-train what you thought you knew. You basically have to forget everything you thought you knew about the swing. But hang in there. Do not rush the process. Keep practicing each step until you have mastered it before progressing to the next step. The reward will come. :-D

Sorry did not mean to come across as a Know-it-All. I was responding to the OP known issue and I quote: [quote] I hit the ball really high!... I put the ball way up in my stance on my left foot toe and drive it from there...[/quote] As an instructor IMO that is the first thing to correct before spending big bucks on new equipment that likely will not help.