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If it were one white dude standing among 100 hispanics, I would LMFAO; that doesn't make his point of view correct though. Sometimes what's politically incorrect can be funny. A problem lies when that dude insights others to do the same... A good friend of mine is from East Africa (brown guy) and very successful Lawyer. If we happen to be talking on a sunny day, he say's, "I hope you are using this day to work on your tan, I can't be seen in my nighborhood with someone as pale as you". If he really means what he says, it's wrong, but he doesn't so it's f'n hillarious, just like when I asking him if his ass is OK after clearing customs when he arrives back home from a trip abroad. We are clearly not making fun of eachother, but using oursleves as proxies to criticise society... The dude holding the sign may simply be criticizing the protesters and what better way than to be provocative...it's sure got a lot of people on this thread talking...

I have 2 daughters and I think it's simple. Girls, Augusta is a private mens golf club, just like the Girlguides is a girls only club and your tree fort club in the backyard is girls only. Augusta has been gracious enough to allow the PGA tour to sanction an event on their course once per year. "What if a girl wanted to play in the tournament daddy?" Well she would need to qualify just like the men... Now girls, how would you feel if daddy tried to play on the LPGA Tour?. "LOL!!! don't be silly daddy, that's a girls tour..."

The media has stated she's pushed the agenda, if that is not the case, then clearly I feel differently... Now you can unbunch your panties

Lots of preconceived notions about Hootie on this thread. People have to remember that the bylaws of a private club is a reflection of the membership. The south is quite different than most other parts of N.A, but the membership at Augusta has certainly diversified in the last 20 years; this is a reflection of the membership, not the media. Of course society will impact the views of many members. Most people would consider me quite liberal, but I'm also a Libertaian. I don't care if ANGC encourages its members to wear white hoodies to meetings and have a good blond joke ready, so long as they do not do it in public and its members do not break the law. They are a private club, they can do whatever they want otherwise. Clearly the current membership is OK with the current rules, those who are not will lobby change or leave. The masters is about the golf course, not the club. It's a privilage for us to participate for a weekend every year... Johnson's social record Johnson was a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives during 1957 and 1958. He also was a trustee of historically black Benedict College . Johnson served as former board member of the National Urban League ; served as co-chairman of committee that developed plan to desegregate universities in South Carolina, and in 1975, received the Outstanding Citizen Award from B'nai B'rith . [ 12 ] He had supported African-Americans for public office. [ 8 ] As a banker, he had appointed African-Americans and women to his corporate boards. [ 8 ] He made loans to minorities. [ 8 ] Following the 1968 Orangeburg Massacre (when three South Carolina State University students were killed by state troopers while participating in civil rights protests) Johnson had worked on a desegregation plan for the state's colleges and universities. [ 8 ] And Johnson had also been the first businessman who pushed to have the Confederate flag removed from the state house in Columbia. [ 8 ]

LOL! Yup...

He'd commit suicide...

I hope they admit her, then snub her; make an example of her. Put a womans sign on a broom closet door. Of course it would be much different if we were talking about a public institution. Would it be cool if Augusta changed their policy? Sure, but it is certainly not up to the public to decide...

Well I'm actually in Edmonton for the week and I'm terrified for my life. Driving down the Yellowhead (3 lane freeway) today on the way to see a client. Was approaching 142nd St from the east, semi truck (tractor trailer for you Americans) was on my left; just as I hit the intersection, a pickup is turning left and is surprised to see me crossing the intersection (semi blocked his view). I slam the breaks and I'm sliding through the intersection; he's giving me the finger as he goes by and I just miss T-boning him. I'm like WTF!!!, I had a green light, how is it my problem that you didn't see me?? I'm guessing that it was a preemptive strike; you know, giving my the finger because he figured he's be getting the finger. I shake my head. Same day a semi truck on a service road in an industrial area decides he's going to pull away from the curb as I'm at his side. another semi truck is coming towards me. I look at the guy from my passenger window and he's laughing his head off (like the trucker in Thelma and Louise). He forces me to turn left into the exit lane of a parking of get hit my the oncoming traffic. As soon as I turn in there's a semi pulling 3 trailers coming out of the yard; he looks at me like, "what the hell are you doing there" he's nice enough to let me back up and get back onto the service road. Yesterday I'm driving down the Anthony Henday (very long 3 lane ring highway which goes around the city. The ditch and meridian is riddled with flipped over trucks and there's still cars passing me going about 140 (85 MPH). The roads are covered in black ice, it's -25C (minus a million Fahrenheit) and wind blowing the snow across the road. If Canada didn't have gun control, Edmonton's freeways would put the Santa Monica Freeway shootings to shame... Man I can't wait to get back to Vancouver...hopefully in one piece.

Top 5 are fully exempt Low 12 have conditional status Low 30 can qualify into each tourney If he worked on his game significantly over the next year and got a new attitude, I think he could make top 30. I don't think his Q-school attempt this year is representative of his ability. The day he shot 77, he still left a lot out there (pretty good for someone who's homeless, without practice and injured (physically and mentally)). Not a lot of people on this thread realize that the California qualifier was at a very difficult course, those who made it to the next stage only needed to average 76 per round or better. Other regional qualifiers required average scores of 72-74. Could he string together 4 round of 75 at Bayonet next year? I think so. 2010 top 30 required a total score of 2 under...

I agree with the mental aspect. When I play a course in great condition, I just feel more inspired. Good thoughts lead to good scores. If the greens are in bad shape or slow, this is an absolute factor I believe; I Iike to get the put started as opposed to hitting the puts firm to get them going. It's no different for the pros, Tiger likes very fast greens...

Good advice! Spend your money on lessons, not perfect lies...

No pissing contest, you're a boggy golfer with a perfect set of clubs. If we played a round together the only good thing that would come out of it is perhaps some much heavier pockets (my pockets). FYI, people might consider you a little more credible if your handicap matched your Superior knowledge of the game and equipment. Not that there is anything wrong with being a high handicap (I've been there), it's just that it's coming across like all the high handicaps that regularly drive the ball 300 yards. If you read my profile, you would know I don't work in retail...if you knew anything about my postal code...you would defiantly not have assumed it. Good luck with your clubfitting hobby, there's no doubt you'll get a few people to work with...

I have 3 and I've owned as many as 6; I'm counting Hybrids too. Most pros will tell you the longest club in your bag is the most difficult to hit, but yes, large forgiving drivers will be much easier to hit than a 2 iron, but the consequence of the mishit is going to be much worse. Plus a driver gives you zero feedback. When I play narrow tree lined fairways (of which i play many), the driver rarely sees the light of day (same with the Pros, why should we play any different??) I would never suggest a 2 iron just for course managment. If a person wants to become and better player and they learn to hit a 2 iron off the tee consistantly, it will transcend into the rest of their long clubs. Not everyone wants to constantly improve though...some people just want to have fun and score better with what they have...that's cool too...they should stay away from the 2 iron... Good to hear you are straightening them out bk!

I agree with Calgary, Edmonton is a close second and has actually been voted #1 in the past. I was on a business trip in downtown Calgary once and with all the one ways, I got confused while looking for my hotel; I was driving the wrong way. I noticed pretty quickly and made a U-turn without incident; just to see that the pack of cars heading my way was lead by a cop car. Suffice to say, she followed me for a few blocks and then pulled me over. She said, "you're not in trouble, I just wanted to inform you that we have a real bad road rage problem in the city and you need to be more observant; can I escort you to your hotel". It's pretty bad when the cops pull over the out of towners to make a friendly warning. In most of Alberta, merging means speeding up so that the guy trying to merge in cannot and if he manages to get in ahead of you, tailgate while flipping the bird (even in a blizzard) I've been in Vancouver now for 3 years and I'm still in awe of all the drivers who go out of their way to let you in...it's unbelievable. As for the jackass with the 2 young girls...that's a tough one. I would like to think that I would have acted as intelligently as Gioguy as I have 2 young daughters also, but I don't know, I probably would have thrown a gut punch and told him that if he doesn't go back to his girls it'll get worse. Living in Alberta and dealing with the idiots, I think everyone has a little road rage in them.

He's 25, swings 110 and has never really played. He's looking at craigslist for a used set in the $200 range (which I assume is his budget). I think the only bad advice is to spend $500-$1,000 getting totally fit for a swing that will be completely different in a 6 months. Crazymman, don't listen to the 19 handicap pro club fitter. You're young and just starting out. The vast majority of people fit into a standard length . Most any club with some length adjustment will fit you just fine to start out with. Most golf shops will adjust length first to correct lie (if the adjustment is minor)...at 6'3, you might need to extend an inch. You could even use the Ping fitting chart to measure a general set up. If your clubs are a bit too long, great it's better than short. You can always choke down (Anthony Kim chokes down and inch). I can sense boggy golfer steaming up as i write this... I can't tell you how many beginner golfers have fallen into the professional club fitters trap, just to have to make adjustments for years (costing big bucks). A degree flat or upright is going to have an insignificant impact on ball flight. Get a decent swing (lessons would be good), preferably not by a 19 handicap and when you get better, make adjustments to your equipment to fit your game. It's what I did and I would guess most single digit handicaps to scratch. I broke 80 within 5 years of play with a $199 golf town set...something boggy man has probably never done in his whole career with a perfectly fit set. Good Luck!!

Go with stiff shaft if you're clocking 110...even if it's too stiff to begin with, you'll grow into them (your only 25). If you have long arms you should be good with standard length. When you buy the irons, take them to the range with your cousin and ask if you can borrow their hitting board and some impact tape. Center the impact tape on the sole of the club and hit away; if you find the tape is getting marked up towards the toe of the club, have the range or a local repair shop extend the shafts for you; it shouldn't cost you more than 10 buck a club and they should be able to reuse your grips... Alternatively, measure your lie with your cousins clubs assuming they are standard length. If you require longer shafts, browse RockBottom for a set that's an inch over already... Either way, you'll be set.

I have no idea what the DonDonkkk crap is in my post...it's not there when I edit

Here you go, I just built you a brand new set for $240. Tour Edge is a respected brand, it includes 2 hybrids, Tour Edge 54* wedge to match and a Nickent driver which would have cost you 300 new at Golf Galaxy or similar retailer a year ago; it's 12.5 degrees which is perfect for a beginner golfer. All total, this set would have cost you around $700-$800 at a big retailer 1-2 years ago... http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/tour-edge-golf-bazooka-ql-combo-hybrid-irons-set-steel.html http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/tour-edge-bazooka-ql-wedge-steel.html http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/nickent-golf-4dx-driver.html DonDonkkk Don't worry about getting fit. Get the regular steel shaft for the irons, the wedge will likely come with a wedge flex and the driver is regular flex. You have no game and no real swing...so getting fit will make little difference, unless of course you already swing a driver with good tempo 110 plus MPH. If you're an old guy (slow swing speed), browse the site and consider something in a senior flex. Don't go crazy trying to find the perfect set, there will be plenty of time for that when you start to get good. I'm 9 years into the game, on my 5th set of irons 8th driver, 4th set of wedges and I've lost count on the other woods/hybrids...

I was just generalizing the flight path of a particular grip; a slicer is going to have a real hard time drawing the ball with a weak grip (though it is possible), especially since you're coming over the top. At least with a strong grip, you can learn to release the club head at impact. A strong grip will also help you to make your left hand more dominate. Because you're coming over the top, your right hand is in a position dominance. Once you learn to be left hand dominate, you'll ask yourself how you would have have expected to loose the slice. I would buy a momentus 5 iron (I have the short version which is not meant to hit balls), it has a one of those training grips which puts your hands in the right position. I really have to say that it did a lot for me in terms of learning the golf swing. It's pretty hard to come over the top with it as it weighs so much. After swinging it a bunch, you'll know what it feels like to use the body's momentum rather than generating speed with your arms (classic over the top movement). You can't swing with it with your arms, you have to use your body. I swung it over the course of 4 winters and really, I think it's rewired my brain. I find it very difficult to replicate on over the top movement today; I can do it in a practice swing, but when it comes to hitting the ball, the brain takes over...

Perhaps some people on the board and in the world don't want the game to grow, perhaps they liked it when it was an exclusive activity which brought like minded individuals together in a social environment they felt comfortable in. Perhaps these people are not looking at it the wrong way at all. Not saying I'm one of these people, I'm all for growing the game, but some day the game is going to get so big that the traditions with which it was built could be lost. Some day in the near future some activists group is going to lobby more freedom on golf course (denim, cutoffs, wife beater shirts, etc), someone is going to sue discrimination. I for one enjoy going to the golf course knowing that for the most part, the people I'll be playing with are going to act and present themselves in a more civilized fashion than what I experience off the course. It's not that one should dress a certain way, but they want to, to respect their fellow competitors, regardless of whether they would off course. This doesn't mean gray pants and blue shirt; go a little outrageous, but wear a collar and perhaps there could be a crease in your pink pants or shorts. In this regard, I think Rickie does it well, but I can see where the country club folk are coming from and I do believe they have a right to criticize an aspect of the game they love, (just as much as Rickie loves his flat billed hat). That said, I bet he and Charlie are not wearing them at the private country club events they're playing in and that's the difference between those who would liberalize the stiff traditions of the game and those who know how to act, when and where. Like I said before, Mr Grant is perhaps being a little too sensitive, and I think he lacks perspective. The guys on Tour are also there to entertain the crowds, which are diverse; but I do see where he's coming from, whether I agree fully or not. If a guy showed up on the tee box with a flat billed hat, I'd say, "nice gangsta hat", chuckle and then tee off. Hopefully the guys got the game to back up his style

Man I wish that was the case in my neck of the woods. 100K to join the club near me and at least 5 year waiting list. 40K to join the next closest club and 1-2 year waiting list to play without restrictions...and definitely, the hat itself would be frowned upon universally. Perhaps it's just not a fashion that's caught on in Crest Hill...I have yet to see it on any of the course I play (city of 3 million)

Yeah, it is more punk/skater I think, but today's skaters dress like gangsters . I was a skater in the mid 80's to early 90's, pretty good too until I broke my tailbone the second time. Fashion then was more the California surfer look, by the late 90's it went to baggy pants worn halfway past the ass, but I think this was more of a Poser movement when skateboarding became popular again. I'm not a huge fan of the flat billed hat, but I do like Rickie. That said, if he were wearing a welders hat, we'd probably all feel different about whether it'd be acceptable; So that leads to the next question; how is the flat billed hat any less disgusting then seeing guys wearing cutoffs and beater shirts?? I think the guy reflects his generation, but I don't know that he's an idiot. Arnold Palmer would be very insulted if any members wore any kind of hat in his club houses, does that make him an idiot who's out of touch?? Most members of country clubs would likely frown upon the hat, I think it's something you'll find way more on the muni courses. I'm looking forward to when the style goes out of fashion, but it's not enough to make me flip my lid. The guy who wrote the editor could have taken it down a notch or 2... All this said, Rickie gets paid a lot of money to appeal to the kids...I think that's lost on a few people.

By strong grip I'm talking about hand position on your grip. With a weak grip, the seam between your right thumb and index finger is pointing at your left shoulder; with a strong grip it's pointing at your right shoulder our outside of it. I had a weak grip when I sliced the ball. When Pros want to fade the ball, they will weaken their grip. A weak grip limits your ability to release the club at impact (at least for amateurs) and prevents the hands from turning over (which closes or squares off the club face). Weak grips tend to produce fades whereas strong grips produce draws (in general). You'll also get more distance with a strong grip. Use your driving iron off the tee, tee'd up (remember, even long irons require descending blows; very hard to do with the ball up in your stance; you want to compress the ball) .If it's only slightly longer than your 4-iron...cool it will be that much easier to hit. You'll probably find you hit a lot of balls low at first, but eventually your timing will correct this and that's when you'll get a feeling of impact position. When you get really good with it and start hitting draws, lengthen the shaft, work your way up through to 3 wood and then put the driver back in play. When i was slicing 3 years ago (an 8-10 handicap at the time) my average driver distance was around 240; now I hit my 3 wood at least that far, so on most par 4's it's either a 2 iron or 3 wood. Driver is for long par 4's and par 5's... (and of course wide open holes, but even then, I'll likely still not hit it...)

That's the Idea, you will not be able to hit the 2 iron as well and you'll find it will be really hard to do it with a driver swing (or what a 15 handicap perceives is a driver swing; I was in the same boat once), so you're swing will change. Bring the ball back in your stance and learn to clear you hips at impact. Use a strong grip and be left hand dominate. This will feel really unnatural at first (it did for me). You'll find that you'll hit some low bullets and you'll pull some shots to the left. You'll then compensate for this by aiming right and all of a sudden you'll be hitting draws and a light bulb will go off in your head. Do it long enough and you'll eventually forget how to slice or fade the ball. Bring the driver out once you're proficient and your game will be different forever. All that I think about nowadays is impact position. When I sliced the ball, I was only thinking about not going right... Use the other drills mentioned above along with you're 2 iron (driving iron would be better $20-$40 on ebay), strong grip and concentrate on impact position!!

I wish I had it to do all over again. I used to have a big slice, now it takes every ounce of effort to pull of a slight fade. If I could turn back the clock, (when I played to a 15), I would have put the driver in the garage and hit only 2-iron off the tee; I know the distance would not have been much different...in fact the 2-iron would have been longer a lot of the time. I spent much longer as a mid handicap than I had to as I was to focused on hitting a big straight drive Get really good with a 2-iron (perhaps a driving iron like 503-h) and then go back to the driver, you'll be amazed. Today, I hit 3 wood or 2 iron more than I hit driver, even though I hit the driver pretty well...