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Putter fitting is far from snake oil. Believe what you will though. It doesn't sound like a simple post from any of us is going to change your mind.

+1, without a doubt.

RWB Button Back without a doubt. I game and practice with that putter more than anything else and am most familiar with the feel of the BB over the others. [quote name="JW216" url="/forum/thread/48112/how-many-putters-do-you-own#post_620671"] how do you remove the club head? do u do that yourself? and if u do, how do u put it back on? [/quote] I just use a MAP gas torch that I have around the house for plumbing projects. Does the trick very well.

I might actually game a TM driver if I could get one in 415cc. Somehow I doubt this though.

It depends on the work. The paintfill I do myself. It's pretty easy to do and quite a bit of fun to play around with various colors. I have my club builder take care of matching the weights (except the SS's) and grips. All of my putters run 33" so if a club needs to be shortened, I have my builder reshaft it so that I can restore it to stock later if I want. The deep milling/refinish on the TeI3 was done by BOS (I've also used K&J; in the past as well). My deep milled TeI3 looks just like this one (except mine is a standard Newport, not a Newport 2); [img]http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/hsq9191/83dfd66c.jpg[/img] [img]http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/hsq9191/49fef5e8.jpg[/img] That one was actually my inspiration. Sweet stick.

My gamers; [list] [*]Scotty Cameron Button Back (RWB) [*]Scotty Cameron Button Back (stock) [*]Scotty Cameron Studio Select (RWB) [*]Scotty Cameron Studio Select (Purple/Black) [*]Scotty Cameron Studio Select (stock) [*]Scotty Cameron TeI3 (Sole Stamp) [*]Scotty Cameron TeI3 (Gen1, deep mill) [*]Scotty Cameron Art of Putting [/list] I have a few others laying around the house too, including the one that I gamed in high school (an old Callaway mallet). I don't game any of those though. The vast majority of the time (like 95% of the time), the RWB BB is what I game. Though I've found myself gravitating to the AOP more and more lately (greens have been slow and, mentally, I tend to do better w/out an insert on slow greens). There all such nice putters that I have a hard time deciding sometimes. With the exception of one of my BB's, they're all the same length and weighted the same. It would require a very sensitive feel to tell the difference between them in a "blind taste test." They each have their own unique feel though. A few pics; [img]https://rebby.com/tmp/WITB-201105/witb1.jpg[/img] [img]https://rebby.com/tmp/WITB-201105/witb10.jpg[/img] [img]https://rebby.com/tmp/WITB-201105/witb13.jpg[/img] Sorry, no pictures of the deep milled TeI3. I sent it out for some work and haven't gotten it back yet.

I'm just south of The Refuge in East Bethel. It's a great course, I wish that I could get up there more often. [quote]Have you played The Ponds in Saint Francis? It's a decent track.[/quote] I have yet to play there. Whenever I've had the opportunity and/or motivation to play somewhere nearby other than my "home track," I always find myself at The Refuge, go figure. [quote]I live in Zimmerman now so I spend most of the time at the Elk River Golf club when I can get out. Riverwood National in Otsego is pretty nice if you like golfing in a housing development. I reviewed it when it first opened: http://thesandtrap.com/b/courses/riverwood_national_golf_course You're right though, you can find a great deal of nice courses throughout the state. Alan [/quote] I needed to be in White Bear Lake this morning so I got an early tee time at Keller. Always an enjoyable round there, even when I'm not playing particularly well (like today). It's fun to think that some of the greatest golfers to ever play the game have stood on the tee boxes and greens contemplating the same shots. I've always wondered how my strategy at Keller compares to how Hogan or Snead played the course. I wish that there were more detailed records of the course and the tournaments played there so many years ago.

Right now it would have to be The Refuge (Oak Grove). Mainly because it's a whole lot of fun to play, it's inexpensive (especially if you grab their weekday early-bird special) and it's near by my house. I also really enjoy playing at Keller (Ramsey Cty), lots of rich history there and I get excited over the idea of hitting off the same Tbox as the likes of Hogan. When I was in college I played at Lester Park (Duluth) quite a bit and always enjoyed it. The "lake 9" is especially fun with great views of Lake Superior. Head into drunken-skonniville and Troy Burne is always a good time. Obviously you have to throw private venues like Hazeltine and White Bear Lake Yacht Club on the list but I haven't played at either of those since I was a kid and they're very inaccessible so, as great as they are, I don't think that they really count. Depending on the part of the state you're in, there is very likely a great golf course nearby. I mainly listed the ones in my area but could have gone on and on for quite a bit for one reason or another.

You should be just fine with the ZB's. It's actually a pretty nice blended set.

Not bad. It's always fun to shoot in the 50's during a scramble. Congrats!

Most definitely. Good find!

I've gotten free Miura swag in the past. I got a putter cover and a nice hat. I accepted both as a nice perk to owning such a fantastic set of irons.

How long have you had the bag? Maybe SM will replace the strap. Wouldn't hurt to give them a call.

Where in MN? Get to work on that flatstick, that's how you're gonna get those scores down.

Miura Baby Blades. :-D

Again, I have to ask, what's your standard deviation? Is that a simpler number to track? I think so. Here are some numbers; [code] 71 0.9 68 -2 74 3.7 72 2.8 75 4.7 73 2.8 72 1.8 74 3.7 73 2.8 73 2.8 72 1.8 65 -4.8 75 4.7 74 3.7 73 2.8 72 1.8 77 6.6 72 1.8 73 2.8 65 -4.8 [/code] [list=a] [*]Average of your TWO BEST differentials [b]-4.8[/b] [*]Average of your middle TEN (ranks 6-15) [b]2.59[/b] [*]Average of your TEN worst (ranks 11-20), aka "anti-handicap" [b]3.83[/b] [/list] So, by your calculations my numbers would be; 0.2 5/3/4 This confuses me quite a bit. The first number shows that I can go low. The second says that I'm generally +3 strokes vs the differential. The last number shows that on a bad day, I'm +4 over the differential. Is that good or bad? What does that tell me? To make matters worse, my first number looks terrible due to 2 great rounds (terrible when you're looking for consistency, after all, based on your calculations, 3 very low numbers indicate absolute consistency). Turn those 65's into 68's and my first number becomes 2, that's a pretty volatile calculation that can greatly influence future estimations. At a glance, this doesn't mean a whole lot, at least not to me. Taking a deeper look, based on a course rating of 70, I can expect to shoot anywhere from 65 (rating - A) and (rating + C) 74 with an average around 73 (rating + B). Throw out those 65's and numbers change quite a bit (68, 74, 73) which are, arguably more accurate. How about using a RAW mean and standard deviation? [list=a] [*]Average of ALL differentials [b]2.02[/b] [*]Standard deviations of ALL differentials [b]2.81[/b] [/list] On average, I'll play right around 2 over the differential +/- 3 strokes. Assuming a course rating of 70, I can expect to shoot anywhere from 69 to 75 with an average around 72. Based on the numbers above, that looks about right. In the end, the average of all differentials doesn't really matter. In a way, just knowing the USGA index already gives you that information. After all, on average, a golfer will play to a few strokes over their index day to day. Thus armed with that information and a basic standard deviation, you can determine your window of consistency. The lower your deviation, the more consistent you are. It's as easy as that. Furthermore, the standard deviation is less affected by a single round or two. For example, take those 65's and make them 68's (-4.8 differentials vs -2 differentials) and the standard deviation drops from 2.81 to 2.19. Now my assumed range is anywhere from 70 to 74 (perhaps +1 stroke due to the minor difference in index that doing this would create). Looking at the numbers, the standard deviation works, is more accurate (on the whole) than the other method and can be made sense of quickly and easily. That's why I'd love to see this number in the statistics screen of Scorecard. You could, at a glance, in very simple terms, how consistent you are round to round, 9 to 9 or even hole to hole. Standard deviation can be a very informative statistic when you look at it over time and, best of all, it's quick and easy. You can tell what it means, at a glance, w/out any real thought.

This does present an interesting question. When gaming a combo set, when/where do you make the conversion from a blade iron to a cavity back? I strongly considered a combo set at one point a few years go and didn't end up getting one because I couldn't decide where to draw that line. At a minimum I'd likely draw the line between the 5 and 6 iron (5 iron CB, 6 iron blade) or even my 4 and 5 iron. For those of you bagging combo sets, where did you draw the line? Why did you draw the line at that point?

When I was playing low, really low, I fired at sticks all day long. Like you, I had the confidence that I could do pretty much anything with a wedge in my hand and that getting up and down was assured. More often than not, I did get up and down when I needed to. This left me with a lot of great birdie opportunities but I also short sided myself from time to time as well which, unnecessarily, brought bogie into play. I approach this differently now and, as a result, don't put as many circles on my card. My game is more "boring" but I've taken a great deal of bogies out of play as well and seldom short side myself. My family situation has changed quite a bit though and I no longer have the time to dedicate to practice that I once did and as a result, getting up and down (especially when short sided) is no longer as automatic as it used to be. Now, instead of directly attacking pins, I'll work my ball into pins. Instead of trying to smother the stick I play for the smart side of the green with spin moving toward the hole. Quite often this will result in a nice tap in birdie but, more often than not, I'll end up with an easy 2 putt. In a way, I'm playing for the center/fat of the green. With a back left pin placement for example, I'll play a soft, lower spinning, draw into the center of the green. For a front right pin placement, I'm more apt to hit a crisp, high spinning, fade. Sure, I'm not knocking down as many sticks as I used to but I'm staying out of jail. When my putter is hot, I can still go low from time to time as well.

Rory is a machine! Check out that approach on 14! The one on 12 shouldn't be overlooked either. That one took balls and he pulled it off. He's making Phil and DJ look like a pair of average club pros.

I simply can't believe just how low Rory [i]could[/i] be right now. His putts on 12 and 13 just missed. There have been others as well. It's almost like he's playing to 5 gallon buckets. Impressive and entertaining play thus far. I hope he keeps it up.

I would have never guessed that there would be that many soccer players on a list like that.

That was the intention when PING brought the 2 tone balls to market. I never remember seeing them sold in sleeves, always singles. PING did market a few "standard" golf balls over the years as well. There was a "Karsten Signature" ball as well as a "ZING" ball for sure. There may have been others as well.

I still carry a 2-iron in nearly every round that I play. Specs are as follows; [CODE]Club Loft Bounce Lie Length Swingweight Shaft 2 19* -1* 59* 39.5" D2 S400 Sensicore Satin Hard-Stepped 1x [/CODE] It's no shovel either. In fact, [url=http://miuragolf.com/series57_blade.asp]quite the opposite[/url].

Titleist 14-Way and PING Hoofer Vantage

Somewhat confusing. How does a basic standard deviation look using those numbers? I'm thinking that it would give you same information is a much easier to read format. Side note: I've been pushing for a standard deviation in Scorecard but iacas just won't budge!