I think McCain just became the frontrunner

[joshtpa]

What's comical is the number of SandTrappers that thought the decision to go to war was a good one. There are lots of evil dictators in the world and you don't see us invading their countries. However, based on the right-wingers on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if you thought that would be a good idea too. Let me guess, you guys are fans of chanting "USA, USA!" too, right?

You keep missing the facts Sir. The democrats approved the war too. Get it right if you want to argue it. Arguing for or against the war is your choice. But neither political party was at fault. They both voted for it.

[DDBowdoin]

I love the Moonbats lines... Howard Lawrence Carr loves dropping them!

[immts007]

who cares!!!!!!

I most certainly do.

[Grogger31]

You keep missing the facts Sir. The democrats approved the war too. Get it right if you want to argue it. Arguing for or against the war is your choice. But neither political party was at fault. They both voted for it.

I'm not happy that the democrats voted for the war. It was a strictly political decision and showed unbelievable weakness. However, if we didn't have a vengeful, war-mongering President (who is as dumb as the brush he clears on his ranch ... shades of McCain, by the way), waging war in Iraq would not even have been on the table. He was pissed that Saddam had a plot to kill his daddy and wasn't going to put up with it.

[Grogger31]

who cares!!!!!!

As someone in the financial industry, you ought to. This is an amazingly ignorant and dangerous mindset, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were kidding.

[joshtpa]

I'm not happy that the democrats voted for the war. It was a strictly political decision and showed unbelievable weakness. However, if we didn't have a vengeful, war-mongering President (who is as dumb as the brush he clears on his ranch ... shades of McCain, by the way), waging war in Iraq would not even have been on the table. He was pissed that Saddam had a plot to kill his daddy and wasn't going to put up with it.

So once again, you are changing the facts to suit your needs. Your party voted for the war as well, yet you blame the Republicans for twisting their arms? Opposing the war is fine if that is your choice, but get your facts straight.

[Grogger31]

Please stop quoting me on the facts, "Sir".

You want facts, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

I'll point you to the first line of the section entitled "Passage" that reads:

"The authorization was sought by President George W. Bush."

End of story. Try educating yourself before you throw stones, "Sir"

[immts007]

So once again, you are changing the facts to suit your needs. Your party voted for the war as well, yet you blame the Republicans for twisting their arms? Opposing the war is fine if that is your choice, but get your facts straight.

How can you make a statement like that? It's arguably true that there has been massive political pressure brought to bear on this issue. He's not 'changing facts' he's stating an opinion that many democrats have: that many of our guys have been 'spineless' far too often for fear of politcal blowback.

You can't tell someone they don't have their 'facts' straight, when they aren't stating a 'fact'.

[joshtpa]

You are going to use Wikipedia as Fact? Sure the authorization was sought after by Bush, but your party approved it and agreed. How can you blame just the Republicans for the war.

As others have said in this post. I am done arguing with someone that cannot get distinguish between facts and opinions. Enjoy your arguments with the next person that proves you wrong once again.

[Grogger31]

You are going to use Wikipedia as Fact? Sure the authorization was sought after by Bush, but your party approved it and agreed. How can you blame just the Republicans for the war.

Ignroance is truly bliss.

USA, USA!

[immts007]

You are going to use Wikipedia as Fact? Sure the authorization was sought after by Bush, but your party approved it and agreed. How can you blame just the Republicans for the war.

Here is a fact for you: no one has proved anyone wrong about anything here.

Also, Wikipedia is highly reliable and quickly self-correcting - if there is any dispute about the validity of an entry, it is quickly noted.

[immts007]

On the brighter side of things, this argument might not matter much if the Large Hadron Collider creates a black hole this Wednesday that consumes the entire planet .

LOL.

[Eore]

I just did. His administration brought the fraudulent WMD information to Congress. Maybe we should blame God, since apparently that's whose advice he took before sending us to War.

so you know for a fact that the bush administration brought fraudulent info to Congress?

[joshtpa]

Of course he does, it says so in Wikipedia....lol. You are wasting your time Eore.(according to him, Republicans caused the plague)


its just not worth it.

[Grogger31]

so you know for a fact that the bush administration brought fraudulent info to Congress?

We certainly know it was wrong information ... 180 degrees wrong, like most of the other decisions and information released by this administration. Fraudulent is certainly up for debate, I'll grant you that.

Apparently you (and the all knowing and powerful Oz ... I mean The Birdieman, Sir!), assume it was an honest mistake. Ooops, our bad. I, on the other hand, based on this Administration's MO and less than honest dealings with both the public and congress, assume it was done fraudulently.

[joshtpa]

Less than honest like Lying to the Grand Jury? Oh no, wait, that was the Democrat in office.

[Grogger31]

Less than honest like Lying to the Grand Jury? Oh no, wait, that was the Democrat in office.

As others have said in this post. I am done arguing with someone that cannot get distinguish between facts and opinions. Enjoy your arguments with the next person that proves you wrong once again.

So now you want back in, Sir? I was perfectly happy enjoying my argument with Eore now.

You took your ball and went home like a 7-year old ... live with your decision

[immts007]

Wow, this thread is now officially a train-wreck.