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Lately I've been playing Nike Ignite balls as a nice compromise between performance (ProV, Nike ONE, etc.) and price. I really like the ball and its been great but you know golfers - we can never leave good enough alone. I was given a sleeve of Nike ONE Vapor balls and played a round with them on Sunday. Well, had my best round ever (not just the balls doing) - shot an 83 - and didn't lose a single ball! So I played the entire round with one ball - another first for me!

I thought the Vapor was great, but its to pricey for my regular ball. So I was looking around and the TM Burner LDP gets really good marks despite being only a 2-piece ball so I thought I'd see if anybody has played with it and what your reactions were.

TIA!

Ryan

In the bag:
Driver:  Burner 10.5* Stiff     ||    3 Wood:  Burner 13* Stiff     ||     Hybrids:  Slingshot 17*, 21*, 24* Utility

Irons:  MX-300 5-PW     ||     Gap & Sand Wedge:  Spin-Milled Black Nickel 52.08* / 58.08*

Putter:  VP-09 Blade 33"     ||     Ball:  Penta TP


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Yes I actually played that at the beginning of the summer/spring, it's a very good forgiving ball. I gives extra distance for off center shots. It's definitely a beginner ball. It's durable and not that expensive I'd highly recommend it if you don't feel like spending a lot of money on balls.

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I play the TP Red/Black balls quite a bit, and you can pick them up for $27.50/dozen around here. The Red spins less (for higher swing speeds), the Black more (slower). I have tried ALL the "tour" balls and am convinced these are the best, the price is just a bonus. I also really like the Burner golf balls. Another lower price option that outplays its price is the Maxfli Noodle+. Last year in Golf or Golf Digest, was rated 3rd longest ball at 100 mph swing speed behind Pro V1x and TP Red. Try those!

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Last weekend I played with both the Nike Vapor (my regular ball) and the Burner TP LDP, hitting both side by side on a few holes. The Burner TP LDP is a 3 piece ball and more comparable to the Vapor as the Burner LDP is a 2 piece ball. I am far from being an expert but my general observations are below:

Vapor = higher trajectory and a couple more yards carry distance, but sometimes has a tendency to drift a bit off line on longer shots.
Burner TP LDP = medium-high trajectory, a little less carry but very straight. My straightest shots always seemed to be with the Burner.

Otherwise both felt similar and I plan to continue experimenting with both.

Dymo2 str8-Fit 10.5 driver & Dymo2 3 wood
#3 & #4 Machspeed Hybrids
5-PW i701 irons
52 & 58 XFT Wedges
White Ice 2-Ball CS Putter One Vapor Sidekick push cartSonocaddie Auto Play GPS


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Played the tp burner and the reg burner, along with the tp red/black reply didn't like the burner ball that much I would recomend the tp red or black and most place u can get 2 dozen for 50 or so

9* DYMO Str8fit- ust stiff
X 19* 5wood stock
Boxer 20* reg shaft
MT Pro-M gunmetal TT Dynamic Gold S300
52.6 oil 56.6 oil 60.4 oil Newport Beach 303pro-v1/ Pentawww.lantanagolf.com


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Yeah... depends what you want. If you don't care about greenside spin so much, go with a Burner LDP or maybe even a noodle. If you want some more greenside spin go with the Burner TP LDP. I LOVE the way the burner TP feels. It's awesome in everything, except I didn't have quite enough greenside spin for my style of play. I mean.... the spin is there if I'd hit my shot close to perfect..... but it left little room for error or it would roll out more than I wanted. I switched to the Red LDP and couldn't be happier. It doesn't feel quite as good as the Burner TP (more of a compliment to the burner than anything else) but everything else about it seems to work out very well for me.

FYI... I'm selling my leftover stock of Burner TPs (brand new) if anyone is interested PM me. ($15 per dozen... or $4 per sleeve.... add shipping -- I haven't priced up shipping yet so may not be worth it for some...)

Driver: Tour Burner 9.5° Stock Stiff
Wood: Tour Burner TS 13° Stock Stiff
Hybrid: Tour Burner T2 18° Stock Stiff
Irons: Tour Preferred 3-PW Rifle Project X 6.0
Wedges: 54.10|58.08 Z TP Rifle Spinner 5.5 Putter: VP Mills VP2 Ball: TP/Red.LDP Bag: Warbird Hot Stand Bag 2.0Started playing...


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I have switched to playing the TaylorMade TP Red. I love the way they come off the club face. They do not spin as much as other balls, but I just make sure I play my shots accordingly. I know that they will, hit, skip and stop on longer shots or just hit and stop. I cannot really draw them back much with wedges but every once in a while I can get some draw on them. I do know when I am chipping they usually roll out, so I keep that in mind also. Hope that helps

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I got some extra distance with my driver using the Taylormade Burners LDP ball. I normally average 211 yards using the Nike Powersoft. I was averaging over 220 with the Taylormade Burner. When I hit the green, the ball still seemed to check ok. But I never generate that much spin with my irons or wedges.

Driver...Ping G10 10.5* V2 High Launch

4-wood......Bobby Jones by Jesse Ortiz 2012 17*
3-4 Hybrid.......Bobby Jones Player Series 21* and 25*
Irons.........Mizuno MX-200
Wedges....Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 52*, Ping Tour-W 56*, Ping Tour-S 60*....Putter-Ping Redwood Piper.....Ball-Srixon TriSpeed Tour


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I have been playing the TM TP LDP for a few months now, and really like them. In fact, I have recently been demoing the premiums (ProV1x, B330, Nike one black, and Tour IX) and haven't really found any huge reason to switch. I hit my irons very high, and with not much spin, so they hit and stop in a couple of feet, regardless of the premium or Burner TP.

Gary

Nakashima HTEC 460 9.5, 65g Fujikura Motore F1 (s)
Speedline 3W, 70-gram Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis
SQ 2 18 Deg. Hybrid, stock stiff graphite
R7 irons, 4-LW, stock stiff steel
White Steel 2-Ball SRT PutterSunMountain MPB bagIGolf Neo


Posted
The cheapest TM LDP is total junk in my opinion. It doesn't have much spin, but it's a bit durable. Not my taste.

In the bag:
Driver: 907 D2/Proforce V2 R-flex
Hybrid: Burner '07 3 Hybrid/Re-Ax Shaft/19* (4* draw bias)
Irons: AP1 4-7i
AP2 8-PWedges: Spin Milled Tour Chrome (52.06/56.11) VR Forged Chrome 60.06Putter: Ignite 001 Ball: Pro V1/ One Tour/


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