Shootings in Alabama

[jusanothajoe]

I suppose it really depends upon how you fire the individuals.

It seems like a friendly and cordial agreement that things are not working out would be better than some other way, so it would not invoke some kind of revenge instinct?

Even if you do carry a gun, the vengeful ex-employee would have the "draw on you". He picks the time and place, not you.

Best to be a good supervisor, and try to be understanding to the needs of your employees even when you need to terminate their position at your company.

I can tell you from experience this is not always the case. I made the mistake of terminating a employee in a private area on the floor instead of doing it in the office, that was my mistake. I did my job in a professional manner, but the employee went on the attack. In a matter or 20 seconds he threw a pair of welding gloves at me, got in my face and threatened me, spit in my face, and elbowed me in the side as he walked by. After the elbow defensive instincts took over and I took him to the ground. I never did anything but hold him down til other employees pulled me off. He got up walked outside and called the police and said I assaulted him. I was arrested 2 weeks later, had to get a lawyer and go to court. I am now out over $7000.

Everyone doesn't just say " aw shucks, that's OK" when they are fired. As I said there are bad people out there.

They might get "the draw on me" but I would still rather have a chance with a weapon, than no chance without one.

[Lihu]

I can tell you from experience this is not always the case. I made the mistake of terminating a employee in a private area on the floor instead of doing it in the office, that was my mistake. I did my job in a professional manner, but the employee went on the attack. In a matter or 20 seconds he threw a pair of welding gloves at me, got in my face and threatened me, spit in my face, and elbowed me in the side as he walked by. After the elbow defensive instincts took over and I took him to the ground. I never did anything but hold him down til other employees pulled me off. He got up walked outside and called the police and said I assaulted him. I was arrested 2 weeks later, had to get a lawyer and go to court. I am now out over $7000.  Everyone doesn't just say " aw shucks, that's OK" when they are fired. As I said there are bad people out there. They might get "the draw on me" but I would still rather have a chance with a weapon, than no chance without one.

That sucks. Seems like if he threw the first punch, you had a shop full of witnesses. Your company/insurance should cover expenses since you were defending the company from his assaults and potential for damage to company property and harm to other employees? Note that holding him to the ground is not assault given the conditions you outlined. Just don't throw any punches. . . Edit: probably better to have let him spit and elbow you, then call the cops on him.

[jusanothajoe]

That sucks.

Seems like if he threw the first punch, you had a shop full of witnesses. Your company/insurance should cover expenses since you were defending the company from his assaults and potential for damage to company property and harm to other employees?

Note that holding him to the ground is not assault given the conditions you outlined. Just don't throw any punches. . .

Edit: probably better to have let him spit and elbow you, then call the cops on him.

We were out of site from other employees until he walked by and elbowed me, which naturally no one saw. They just saw me take him to the ground. Some said I attacked him from behind.

some said I hit him several times, yes, thats right, some said I hit him as many as five times.

Had as many that said I hit him as said I didn't. So I was on my own with attorney fees and bail and court costs, etc.

So after this and recent shootings, I am a little spooked. As a matter of fact I terminated an employee the day before these shootings.

[Lihu]

We were out of site from other employees until he walked by and elbowed me, which naturally no one saw. They just saw me take him to the ground. Some said I attacked him from behind.

some said I hit him several times, yes, thats right, some said I hit him as many as five times.

Had as many that said I hit him as said I didn't. So I was on my own with attorney fees and bail and court costs, etc.

So after this and recent shootings, I am a little spooked. As a matter of fact I terminated an employee the day before these shootings.

Yeah, I guess all you can do is rant here.

Best of luck getting all this resolved.

[trickyputt]

I just terminated one that just had a first child. Its an emotional situation. Eyes open. On the other side, the government taxes for workmans compensation like I would buy for a car. I have 3 seperate plans for coverage as if a worker was a car or other property. You know the 100/300/100 routine. Its disgusting. With matching taxes and huge cash flows from income replacement insurance like workmans comp planning run by the government like a tax fund, the unaware worker can react to the unseen economic forces arrayed against them in the way a cornered animal senses its hostile environment. The load on their livelyhood is large given they arent even told about it. Personally I think more open communication wouldnt hurt. Put matching taxes on their paycheck stub. Workmans comp also. If it affects them be honest and clear. My suspicion is voting patterns will change. 20 and 30 percent on top of a paycheck and whatever taxes are payed out of it causes undue stress when those recieving the monies do such a poor job with what they are recieving. Rant over.

[Gunther]

Interestingly, given the rather dramatic national change in carry rights over the past few years, it appears that minds are changing. Certainly not all, but a lot, even in states where you might not have anticipated such a dramatic movement. Baby steps..... :-)

Amen.