Pete
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Hey guys. I'm back on TST for the first time in months. I haven't watched much golf at all either, but when I saw this in the news, I knew I had to see what you guys were saying. It seems you're mostly as flabbergasted as I am. I am gobsmacked not only by the 4 minutes but by Holmes' total lack of awareness that this is an unacceptable amount of time to take over a shot. And then Justin Thomas defending him! You can't just wait for the wind to stop blowing. Wind is part of golf. Yeah it's blustery and unpredictable sometimes. Deal with it the same way everyone else has to. Holmes should apologise to Noren and the fans. The PGA should definitely do something publicly to highlight this unacceptable behavior. P.S. Yeah, I used both 'flabbergasted' and 'gobsmacked' in this post. I even thought about using 'dumbfounded'!
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Iron sets these days.. No 3 or 4 irons?
Pete replied to scotth's topic in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting
Bought my current irons 5-PW Added a 4I and then a 3I. I feel I'm more accurate with Irons that hybrids. Especially off the tee. -
Home course (UK). Teed off at 7.50pm and played 18 holes by myself. Finished at 9.50pm so 2 hours for full round. I love golfing in the late evenings in June. It's like a form of meditation. I shot 76 (5 over) after being 3 over after three holes due to very bad second shots on two early par fives. Front nine was all about getting up and down. I finished the back nine with seven straight GIRs which was very pleasing. My long game is probably better than it's ever been.
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Age 38 Ping G30 LS Tec Driver 9.5 deg TM R9 tp 3W 17 deg Mizuno MP-58 3 iron Mizuno MP-53 4-PW Mizuno TP-15 GW 50 deg TM SW 56 deg Cleveland LW 60 deg Ping TR Karsten Anser 5
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At the risk of stirring this up even more, I'd like to appeal to everyone's common sense. I've just watched it again and again, and I am convinced: LEXI THOMPSON WAS CLEARLY CHEATING AND IS TRYING TO PRETEND SHE WASN'T! I am very glad she got penalised the next day.
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Sure. Just look at the reputation of the world governing body FIFA. Doesn't exactly scream integrity does it? Every world cup I've watched (1986 onwards) has had controversy at some stage. Faking injury to waste time. Hand of god. Dodgy penalties. Teams playing out a mutually beneficial result that qualifies both to the next stage at the expense of other teams and the integrity of all 22 players. It's so frequent it is just considered part of the game. It's the biggest sport in the world due to simplicity and history. Not because of the spirit or sportsmanship with which it is played or organised.
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Major reason for why I stopped watching football (soccer). The ref doesn't see the dive and gives a penalty, the team scores the penalty and wins 1-0, and everyone complains about the ref and says the diver was 'clever'. Would we want golf to be like that? Umm, no thanks...
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I think @iacas is simply trying to help you understand the rules and why they are applied the way they are. He does not blindly defend the USGA. Many times he has criticised them when it's due. You may not want me on your side this time @iacas but I'm totally with you on this one.
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Agreed. 4 strokes is a big risk to take when you could just play by the rules and not move your ball to a different location. It seems so harsh but the violation was of a fundamental rule and was blatant. It's not hard to put the ball back in the same spot. To be honest, LT looks all the more stupid for saying it was an accident. Watching it back, there's no point where she pauses to clean the ball or anything. She simply moved it to a different location. This fire was started by Lexi Thomson.
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I'd still rather it was this way than allowing cheating as long as no refs spot you doing it. It seems petty because so many other sports think diving/flopping/faking injury is part of the sport. It's one of the reasons I love golf so much. Edit: Not the petty calling in by fans, but the fact that cheating is called cheating and is commonly understood as being NOT part of the sport.
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I agree. The video evidence very much looks like she moved it intentionally. It was done in one motion much like Chella Choi so it's not like she left the marker there for a while and forgot she had marked it to the side. My guess she saw a spike mark or similar and was trying to avoid it. Hopefully the 2019 rules will mean this won't happen from then on. But for now, the way it happened sucks, but I cannot defend that as being an accident.
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Excellent point. Hopefully they will see it this way after they've received all the responses and rescind the proposal
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Hypothetically, if the word spread super fast and always leaving the flagstick became the 99% case, how many would still not want the change because it simply makes putting easier? Does is matter that putting becomes easier for everyone? P.S. I'm not making a point, I'm just asking the question.
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It is yes. But I doubt it will make it into the final rules in 2019 due to the issues discussed in the rules proposal threads.
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Yeah. And my fixed flag idea wouldn't work because you'd have to putt through the shadow of the flag if you're in the wrong place. That wouldn't be very fair. Back to the drawing board...
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Yeah I thought about this too. I think it is more likely to cause even more delay as people wait even longer to be sure the green is clear. But you are right, we have one hole on our course where we do exactly this. It is the only way of knowing the coast it clear from the tee. Perhaps we will see an adjustment to the rule such as 'if the ball hits the flagstick from beyond 10 yards, then no penalty' to make sure the flag comes out on virtually all greens to let people hole out, but won't make people wait for the pin to be removed for long putts. I'm still thinking of what else they can do to achieve the pace of play gain that they are looking for. Edit: Not that I think there is a huge pace of play issue relating to the flag.
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In the unlikely event of the flagstick change being implemented, for a while, some people will gain an advantage over others because they'll leave the flag in and the others won't. Eventually it will become generally accepted that leaving it in gives you an advantage and there will be less and less people choosing to take it out. But for a while I imagine it would be a total farce with the flag being removed and replaced many times per hole. I don't think they will leave the change as it is. How did they not think about these issues when they went through this? It took me about 30 seconds of hearing of this change to work out the problems due to people's preferences for putting with flag in and out.
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That's exactly what you aren't allowed to do. If the flagstick is damaged so that it always leans, you will have the option of leaving it in or having it removed. I doubt (and hope) that they won't allow you to do anything that makes it more favorable than just straight up and down. Well I've broken that rule a couple of times then. Thanks for this. I feel like a bit of an idiot for purporting to play by the rules though.
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This extra option would result in a total of two penalty strokes, to make sure that: The penalty is consistent with the significant amount of relief being allowed, and This option does not become commonly used by players who are able to play from a bunker. I literally just clicked the link in your post and copy and pasted the text
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You know what I mean. All I'm talking about is rotating the flag stick so the ball can fit in, typically this means rotating it 180 degrees so it no longer leans towards me.
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How? I hope they can this change. I hoped they would keep it because for a while I would benefit from it whilst others still chose to take the flag out. But yeah, for the pace of play issues it could (ironically) cause, ditching the change may be for the best. I suppose when everyone understands that there is an advantage to leaving it in, perhaps it will eventually be normal that the flag always stays in the hole, maybe? Edit: Flagsticks that are permanently attached to the base and are built to not lean at all! Problem solved Edit 2: By the way, this is actually a good idea, but is perhaps a little too drastic for now.
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That's exactly my point. I would leave it in. I think an awful lot of people would, but some will insist on it being removed and I can see this as an issue. The different choices on leaving flag in or taking it out are demonstrated well in this thread: I hope they can keep this change whilst negating any cases of flag stick hokey cokey somehow.
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Yeah of course. I'd probably still leave it in but adjust it first so it leans the other way. Basically, leaving it in has been proven to be an advantage, so I would want to always leave it in and wondered how big a problem this could be.
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With regard to the new unattended flag stick rule, if I want the flagstick in and my playing partner wants it out, we could be pulling it out, and putting it back in depending on who's putting. This could cause a delay in play rather than speed it up. I suppose I could just putt out with the flag in and then take it out for my playing partner to putt out. However if that means standing on my playing partner's line, they I'd have to mark it, pull the flag, let him putt, put the flag back in, take my putt etc. Or do you think golfers will simply never play with the flagstick out? That would suit me.
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Sorry for spamming this thread but I've just had a thought with the flagstick rule proposal. If I want the flagstick in and my playing partner wants it out, we could be pulling it out, and putting it back in depending on who's putting. This could cause a delay in play rather than speed it up. I suppose I could just putt out with the flag in, but if that means standing on my playing partner's line, they I'd have to mark it, pull the flag, let him putt, put the flag back in, take my putt etc.
