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dont have youtube access now. but will check when i get home. preciate it man

well ask anyone whos studied hogan and theyll tell you hes probably one of the handsiest great ball strikers ever. tiger and a lot of modern players try not to be as handsy and to generate power with the body. now remember when i said tiger would get stuck and have to use his hands to hit the ball straight. well hogan could do this EVERY SINGLE time. compare hogan to trevor immelman (people say he swings just like hogan, dont see it) immelman is also pretty one plane and his swing is all about shoulder turn. if he used hogans hip shift and couldnt manipulate the hands the way hogan did he probably wouldnt have a green jacket like i said these are just my feelings and methods. i dont believe the way you turn your hips is a golf fundamental. ive seen plenty of players do all kinds of different turns and slides with all kinds of swing planes, like hogan and immelman. but i DO believe the timing of the turn with the upper body action is hugely important and CAN be plane dependent. and different speeds and types of hip shifts can affect that timing tremendously. hence original post

I'm a big swing studier, and one I've been trying to look at lately is Tom Weiskopf. I have been scouring the net and youtube and what not, but can find virtually no video of his swing except one little crappy video on a website. Does anyone know where some good footage of this beautiful swing can be found without like buying or ordering videos and stuff. Thank you.

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ya i didn't really mention it, but i teach different hip turn methods depending on players swing. most one planers i work with i try to get them to move away from too much lateral movement to the left or bump as some call it. lateral movement is necessary but it can be easily overdone. one two planers more like tigers old swing i like aggresive weight shit which usually means more of a hard lateral move or bump. like hogan (one planer) said, swivel the hips like your turning in a barrel.

what do you mean how do they come into play jamo. the hips are the driving force of any good golf swing, its just a matter of timing their movement.

looks to me like nobody is against it. its just one way to swing the golf club. i've considered trying it. but there better be a way to make it work that doesn't look like the guys on TV. course i think part of that is the way they tilt their head up and look in the camera while holding follow through. just goofiness

haha i used to try this when i was first learning to play and thought i had found the holy grail. well that happened with every new swing idea but this was one of em. check yourself in a mirror or on video. you're not locking your wrists i bet. when i thought i was i was actually putting the club in a pretty good spot at the top. just not parallel to the ground. dunno, go with it for a while or forever if it works

oh and carland you were right. steeper swings do need more time. thats why they can delay the arm and upper body swing a little. flatter swings do better to start the hips and upper body closer together. tigers new swing was giving his upper body time that it didnt need or want

its tough to explain but i'll try. and like i said its my opinion, so others will probably dispute it. tiger's problem was getting stuck. now its everything so ill go back to when he was a little more consistent and his miss was gettin stuck and leaving the ball out to the right. basically his hips turned fast and powerful and left his arms and club behind and the only way for him to not block the ball was to use his hands. back when he was swinging good like in 2000 (this will sound crazy btw) he was still getting stuck but in a different way. the top of his backswing was steeper and obviously off the correct swing plane. the hip turn would get his arms and clubs stuck, but it was a good thing since he went from being too high on the plane to right on it. if he had moved the hips and arms simultaneously or closer too it as a lot of one planers do (ex immelman) he would come over the top and swing like a weekend hacker or craig stadler. i could write about 40 pages on this but i'll leave it at that and answer any ques if you have em. or you may think im a nut, but like i said its my OPINION

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in my opinion, tiger's hip turn doesn't work as well with a flatter swing haney incorporated. a hip turn as fast and powerful as his has the effect of getting your club BACK on plane. if you're already on plane all its gonna do is get u stuck and block. he should go back to the steeper backswing or quiet those hips on the down, but i think he would lose some distance. just my thoughts, worthless as they may be

first of all, if your irons are in good shape then i think you should keep using them. if i remember correctly those 990s are sort of semi cavity back but more like a blade (could be wrong). if you hit em good then keep using them. your not gonna get much more distance if you buy new blade clubs as the technology has barely changed for them. but if you feel the need to buy new ones in my opinion mizuno and titleist make the best player clubs. and i think your smart for sticking with blades or close. people don't realize that players clubs are the true game improvement clubs. when you feel your mishits and whatnot you work a lot faster to get rid of em and become more aware of them versus GI or SGI. your ideal set makeup is good and traditional. i prefer losing the 5W and adding a wedge, but to each his own. for wedges i think cleveland and titleist vokeys are the best but if you go with name brand your really not gonna find a "bad" wedge. driver and 3W is really all about just testing them. but i would recommend taylormade, ping, titleist. hit everything in the shop on a monitor and then play a round or two with your favorites. the one thing i would recommend above everything else i've said is GET FITTED. don't buy off the rack. lastly, IMHO putter brand is absolutely meaningless unless maybe you feel more confident with a certain name on your putter. just my opinion. check my sig on that one. anything else holler

thats true. but list who you think the five best ball strikers of all time are. what do or did they play? everybodys list will be different but mine has 3 fades, a literally straight hitter and a guy who can't make up his mind. i think itd be interesting to see a majors wins breakdown throughout history of the ballflight of the winners and see which one wins. one of yall should do that as an experiment. im too lazy

Was watching the Texas Open today and the announcers were talking about Baddeley while he was on the tee. Sometimes they're full of crap i know. n e way, one said something along the lines of Baddeley used to be in the S & T school and has since moved on to traditional swing with weight shift and whatnot. Truthfully, I don't remember ever seeing him play as well as today while he was stackin and tiltin. I'm wondering if anyone has an idea of why he might have moved away from it or if he ever said what he didn't like about it. I was considering trying S&T; for a while to see if maybe that could be the thing to get me over the ammy pro hump. But I've always been waiting for someone to emerge from the PGA pack who uses it to give it some validity and prove its worth in my own mind. yalls guesses are probably as good as mine, but figured i'd throw it out anyway. (i know theres posts on S&T; but not much on pros quitting it and henceforth improving)

i hate draws. i hit em when i have too, but there just too unpredictable and IMHO ugly. but i'm not a pro. i do know a few. they all have a stock shot which is either a draw or a fade, never straight. but honestly, i've never met a pro who couldn't hit both on command and most (not all) can hit both just as well, just trust one a little more than the other. ive studied a lot of swings and players throughout history, and I believe the best ball strikers we have seen hit fades. when tiger used to be a good ball striker, he hit a fade. ben hogan is (i think) the best ball striker of all time and he hit almost exclusively a baby fade. trevino is the secondbest and he hit a fade. nicklaus hit a fade and he was the best until he got to about a 7 iron on down. i think sergio is the best currently on tour, and he hits mostly a draw. so either one works, but it seems the majority of good strikers hit fades. please don't bash, just my opnions

yep, give it a shot with the 5 or higher. i bet you find you shoot a lot lower. let us know how it goes. how far can you hit a 5I btw

just pretend your a pro and they are all watching you in amazement and with admiration. really does work.

embrace it and learn to control it. a nice little fade is the most beautiful shot in golf IMHO. not to mention all the best ball strikers in history incorporated it, nickalus, hogan, trevino, tiger used to. slice is a different story. sounds like u need to get it to fade a little less and then just aim left we need to see a video probably to tell you how to slow it down, and just because you felt like you werent coming over the top doesnt mean you werent. where did the ball start out is the first thing we need to know, and then how drastic was the curve

because thats what MEN do. seems this whole thread was started to make OP feel better about being too lazy to carry. OP, theres nothing wrong with using a pull cart. people might laugh at you, but do you really care? you knew theyd laugh at you for making this thread but gosh darnit you did it anyway. just playin man, i'm sure you have a reason.

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they did actually make a ball that virtually eliminated slices and hooks. it had not dimples. haha. think they still make it but distance sucks i imagine. and its legal

i sort of feel the opposite of this. i think the ball you play becomes more important the lower you HC gets. if you have little or no consistency the ball really doesn't matter, cuz its never gonna be hit the same way anyway. but when you get lower the softness and spin rate becomes extremely important for holding greens, shaping shots the way you want, etc. thats why tour pros and + HC amateurs put so much effort into fitting their ball to their game. hell look at my whats in the bag thing. i can play with any clubs, but notice that the proV is a must for me in competition. i think its the most important thing i have in my bag

i do not want to start anything negative here. i have quite a bit of experience in golf and i would bet that your distances listed are not correct. i COULD be wrong. if you hit a 5 iron 205 your there with the tour pros and whatnot. this is not what i think is incorrect. i know plenty of high handicappers who can hit as long as tour pros and your not a high handicapper. but if you do hit the 5 that far your other distances are probably not going to be in exactly 10 yard increments. mine are closer to 13-15 yards up in the 5 iron range and the gaps get smaller as the club gets more lofted. i think you should get out on an open hole with a straight in approach with gps or stepping off markers and find out EXACTLY how far you hit each club. on another note, if your talking a carry of 270 with a driver that is really, really great distance. you are a bomber. if thats total its not bad at all, but it probably is low if you really have a 205 five iron. might need a new driver or fix some swing flaw

most so called one planers like myself still bring the club back on a slightly steeper plane than downswing. hell even hogan did it. the only person i can think of who might have had close to identical planes is Mo, a few players would go back flatter than the downswing and come in steeper or over the top like stadler etc. when i said almost the entire pga tour, that is the truth (kind of). let me clear it up tho cuz i just reread OP's post. 99% of pga players have a steepER backswing than downswing. but he did say steep back swing, not steeper, so as far as the tour goes i'd say steep back is still the majority, but more and more are moving towards a one plane, Tiger for ex. either way is fine though OP, but you might want to just give a one plane a shot. can't hurt