Ferguson

WHY? WHY? Just leave Augusta alone and find your own damn venue. I need to take a few weeks off. I could post on this one for decades.

I’m sorry, sir. I did not see this was directed toward me. Good point - I should be careful about not going too far, but in this case I have an actual story that speaks to this author. In 2002, I taught an evening sociology college class as a favor to a local university. Anyway, we had a golfer in class and he did a paper on Augusta National featuring Ms. Brennan’s article. I kid you not, we discussed that article for almost 2 hours. We had three women in class and all of them agreed Brennan had Hootie in the crosshairs because she didn’t like men. At the time, a good part of the class felt the Augusta National should let women in. The golfer and I, as well as 5 or 6 others contended it was a club’s choice to set up rules of membership. Brennan’s history throughout her career has always been a struggle against men. She should learn to write more objectively and not attack those counter to her point (Tiger).

I love Hilton Head and have played HT more than a dozen times. I can’t make any predictions. We all know from TV coverage and any of you that have played it, you have to be an accurate iron player and good putter to win. PS. I’m not going to rant, but just make one comment. 82% of the posts in this thread are pure speculation and that’s cool. Ferg loves speculation as much as the next guy. Just try to not live in glass houses.

I will agree that Tiger is back in the limelight and therefore a point of focus in her article. He’s the easy target, plus she'll get some support from the people who don't care for Woods. Tiger’s win in 1997 was great for golf. Jordan’s win in 2015 was just a great win.

YES. YES. NO. Well stated. Brennan is a marginal reporter and shock value author.

I don't agree or disagree with her. I'm just trying to figure out why she would attack Tiger and not Fred Couples or Nick Faldo for example. Fred and Nick both swear like truck drivers. The Augusta National was a male only club when she wrote that article (good men and bad men - she made no distinction). I believe we must look back 13 years ago when the article was written to gauge what she meant. We can agree that times have changed not only at Augusta but in the world with more women in higher positions. I was trying to say this author hasn't changed - she's stuck in idle.

[quote name="Mr. Desmond" url="/t/81399/christine-brennan-writes-horrible-masters-column-about-spieth-and-woods-for-some-reason/36#post_1129996"] So off base if you know the facts. Jordan was obsessive about Augusta growing up. Even during high school, he received permission to skip classes and go to the library and watch it on his computer. When he placed 2nd last year, he wanted the tourney to start the next day so he could win. He fully expected to win. Jordan conducts himself like a well behaved man who wants to win -- he attempts to keep his emotions in check, and let's them out by talking to the ball. He also reign in the profanity on the course. As to the remainder of your contention, I think you want to see more than what actually exists. But that's not surprising given the DufAmanda thread. [/quote] So off base? …and we should take what you say to be facts? "Jordan was obsessive about Augusta growing up. Even during high school, he received permission to skip classes and go to the library and watch it on his computer. When he placed 2nd last year, he wanted the tourney to start the next day so he could win." What facts are these, and how do they relate to Brennan's article? They sound simply like a player's obsession with a tournament and a strong desire to win. Please read between my lines: I took nothing away from Jordan’s victory - I stated Jordan was fully capable. That means what I intended it to mean without using too many words. Expected to win? I would think they all expect to win. C’mon Desmond, do you take what an author says without trying to understand the author (source)? She doesn’t hate Tiger – she hates men. Read the article: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2012-03-28/brennan-augusta-national/53841184/1 The amanda/duf thread – moot.

Talk about going off on tangents. Palmer, Bolt, Watson, global warming??? I read the article. It speaks to the mind of this author. This article was about much more than just Tiger, Jordan and the 2015 Masters. This author was on a mission. If you care to recall, Ms. Brennan wrote an article back in 2002 about The Augusta National and their lack of female members when Hootie Johnson was chairman. She portrayed The Augusta National as an old fashioned, male-only club for bigots. Ms. Brennan, in penning this article, took another opportunity to take a bra-burning, female shot at the golfing male contingent. This time, instead of taking aim at a club of men, she picked on Tiger. I truly believe she sees Jordan as the antithesis of Tiger, not because Tiger is evil, but because Jordan was reserved in his reactions. I saw Jordan as a kid who was in total shock that he won (don’t get me wrong – he’s fully capable). I think he conducted himself with a quiet reserve and did a great job. He was just being himself in that very moment. For Ms. Brennan to say that Tiger's swearing, or his reaction to a holed putt is wrong speaks volumes about how she views men in general. I believe, without actually saying it, Ms. Brennan took full advantage in this article to point out that Jordan handled himself more like a woman than a man.

It is pretty evident you don’t care for Tiger (in his prime or otherwise) for whatever reason. Why not just admit it? Rory is a player trying to achieve greatness. So often when we like a guy for whatever reason, we overlook his deficiencies. Rory a better ball-striker? At times he is a superior ball striker. Other times he is not. Better than Tiger? Who cares….Tiger embodied the whole package, and did what most of the modern players aspire to achieve. LOTS AND LOTS OF WINS. Go Tiger.

He's talking to you, Turtleback.

Mr. Palmer said that originally.

I am aware that most women enter a marriage looking for stability, as do men. The things I mentioned are trademarks of stability. My brother lived in Albany for a while then moved to Binghamton. I loved NY, just could not take the winters any longer.

And, so I will ask you two questions: Is it any better to draw inferences from a picture of a woman in a bikini? And, let me guess, you live down state?

I try to bring information that I feel would be relevant to the thread. It's nothing personal. Just discussion. Upstate - near Rochester. Moved in 2000.

Please, my good man, you need to read the entire thread. In an effort to understand this sad situation, some of us have tried to explain what's going by presenting facts, figures, percentages, examples and yes, some speculation. I'm hoping we can all learn something and make sense of it, thereby transferring positive energy to our personal lives. It will help Jason and Amanda's marriage, albeit a short one, become an olive branch for learning about human relationships, as they relate to golf. And, most importantly why it's wrong to cast blame just because of some pictures posted on the internet. [quote name="14ledo81" url="/t/81079/jason-amanda-dufner-getting-a-divorce/522#post_1129534"] If you are getting angry, you are doing something wrong........... [/quote] that's what she said.

Could not agree more. I was with two sponsors and never really purchased anything, but I heard the same thing. I think the warm greetings go deeper than just plain old customer service. It's very genuine. They want people to have a good time. That club has a standard of excellence unmatched anywhere in golf, maybe in all sports. They really respect the game, the players, the champions and the patrons. It is a special place. I hope to be invited back next year.

[quote name="dkolo" url="/t/81079/jason-amanda-dufner-getting-a-divorce/504#post_1129474"]So do us New Yorkers. Also, every baseball and football player ever. [/quote] Post the videos where you two, as a professional golfers, after winning a PGA event slapped your wife's butt. I know, I know - the videos won't upload. They are in BETA and this website only takes VHS.

Firstly, I would never take anything you say as a shot (personally), but thanks for calling that out. Same thing goes for my posts. I have to speak for the woman in this thread because her “metaphorical voice” was lost once her revealing pictures were posted in this thread. At that exact moment, she became the harlot, and the Dufner in this relationship that people started labeling as the catalyst to divorce. I still think to this very day Jason posted those pics just to be a douche bag. Who else would take a picture of her wearing a two piece and swinging a golf club, her Dad? Maybe he’s heartbroken – I doubt it. He lost a bunch of weight so he start preparing to play the field again. Trust me, it won’t be long before you see pictures of him walking along the beach with a new girl, the ocean in the background and both of them frolicking while stepping on ass necks and piss clams. Jason is in the same boat as chef, Bobby Flay (an avid golfer). He’s got a hot wife, been married for 10 years and they are now splitting up.

I was referencing the fact that Jason made no public statements. The only public statement he made was looking like a misogynist. I'm a New Yorker and you don’t slap your wife’s bum on live TV. To my knowledge, no other professional golfer has ever done anything that. That was awful. I read somewhere Amanda was Shamanistic, so there was no love in this marriage, at least not for a while.

In reference to polish, wrist watches or pooh?

Honesty is good. If this person was tour ready after only two years at the age of 30, we’d be talking about his appearance on 60 minutes and not in the threads of this fine message board. If you like competition, strive to be your club’s champion or play in regional events. Do something in life that allows you the ability to play golf. Don't use iron covers.

With all due respect my dear Mr. Desmond, I went through a divorce. I know the process firsthand. Yes, I spent some time in England, thanks for noticing. By the way, a woman with a British accent - very attractive (see my reference to Gem Atkinson). Anyway, I am trying to paint a picture and make my argument to a VERY, VERY tough crowd here. This board is full of people possessing a wide breadth of knowledge that has no equal in the contiguous states of America, and you’re here trying to point out the incidental decorum of jurisprudence in regard to marital disbanding. The point I'm trying to make: I think some of you feel it’s farfetched for Jason to be the problem in this marriage. It takes two to tango, my friends. Now I’m sure her photos might send a message to certain people creating how I shall say - an indelible impression. But when you think about it, she basically demonstrated her personality online and left nothing to hide. If you see her pics, the natural reaction is to think, she’s a floosy. I’m standing by my thought that Jason posted those pics, “look at my wife – she’s hot. I slapped her butt on live TV.” She got sick of the ill treatment and left. My finger is pointing in the direction of Jason. He has made no statements and had no reaction. His silence in this matter is very suspect.

C'mon. Metaphorically appear.

It's taken 2 months but we finally agree on something.

Not a problem - the timing of a jerky boy reference is key. You nailed it. I might have to indulge later on.