Bobby2Swings

Treating the golf club like any other tool humans use. I let my brain automatically handle the body mechanics. Have you ever been told or even thought about how your arm and elbow should move when you swing a hammer? Probably not. You just feel the weight and swing it into a nail, your brain handles the rest. When I did the same with the golf club so many good things started to happen. I just feel the heavy weight of the club head by taking a nice light grip, and I swing that weight through the back of the ball. A nice easy whip through impact, nothing forced. I don't focus on my body, just the task. It really is that simple. Everything else just falls into place naturally.

Here's what's helped me immensely... Take a light grip so you can really feel the weight of the club head. It should feel heavy, that's good. The clubhead feeling heavy should dictate your swing. Use the weight to "swing" the head through the back of the ball, don't try to manipulate the head, let it flow naturally. I bet all those smooth swingers like Els and Couples really felt the heavy club head in their light grips. You can really whip the head through impact this way. Use this feeling with all clubs, not just long irons. Good luck.

No, I honestly hadn't until now. However, I stand by what I've said. While I agree about when the forearms actually roll over, after impact, that post or the repeated discussion points on this thread don't help people like myself that have had success with the feeling of the "gradual rolling of the forearms through impact". Its about a feeling and the results that the feeling produce.

Fair enough. I just wonder if people can have success with both methods. My interpretation of his recommendation was that he only starts the rolling before impact. I've always struggled with an open club face at impact. The only thing that has been successful in taming my slice and push has been training myself to let the face rotate from open (prior to impact) to closed (after impact) and actually having the feeling that my right arm moves on top of my left through to the finish. I would call it a "gradual rolling of the forearms". The feeling was certainly explicit manipulation at first, less so now. I don't want other folks to struggle like I have and be turned away from advice that could potentially help them, even if many think its bad advice. I think it is about trying different things and seeing what feelings works for us as individuals to get better results. Then we should all do a better job of expressing our tone, I try my best to.

How you communicate can be just as important as what you communicate. The responses seem to want to shut down the conversation instead of exploring it further. If he has success with an explicit roll of the wrists/forearms I think it is worth discussing further instead of cherry picking a set of pictures that fit a different narrative or saying ""terrible advice". I could go gather some pictures of 5 pros with right wrist over left just after impact and say... "see, you've got to roll your wrists like the pros, saying otherwise is terrible advice". I think conversation is constructive.

Sooo much negativity on this web site. Alot of you seem like assholes. Good grief. Anyways... If you watch pros face on in slow mo it does appear to me that they roll the right hand over the left just after impact.

As long as regulations around equipment, training, preparation, etc... aim to remove all variables except skill, then I'm happy. If someone can drive it further because of skill (or some derivation of it like training harder to become stronger and faster) then I think the integrity of the game is intact. Now if EVERYONE is stronger and faster because of reasons X or Y or genetics or w/e, then sure, lets adjust to shape the game around what is currently the average person.

Shot a 98 at Green Harbor in Marshfield, MA. 47/51 Played the blue tees and drove the fringe on a 280 yrd par 4 which felt pretty good. It felt like my best ever despite the score not showing that.

Thanks for the correction billchao. That is what I meant, just came out wrong. 😶 I agree and that's why I created the thread. I know its important and knew I wasn't executing quite right. Thanks for all the clarifications. I feel its provided me with the knowledge I need to improve my iron game.

I was of the understanding that the dynamic loft increase is because of their forward shaft lean. Combine that with the great compression and lag and you get some serious distance.

Understood. By "pick", I just meant trying my best to make perfect contact on the club face. I wasn't actively trying to avoid the ground after the ball. Poor word choice as "picking" means something else. 😐

This is all really helpful feedback. For months I have focused on hitting down with pretty poor results. I played 9 yesterday by myself and experimented with "picking" but with the other fundamentals in place. Lo and behold I took some really shallow divots right after the ball and saw some pretty good results from it.

Most of us know that taking a divot just after the ball with irons is generally desired because it usually means solid contact, compression, spin, etc... I know there are some "pickers" out there that might say different but for the sake of the conversation lets assume the above statement is true. What is not clear to me is whether or not that act of taking a divot (or hitting down) is conscious. Are you folks actually "aiming" to bottom out after the ball or are you trying to pick it clean and the divot is a result of a swing mechanism like the forward weight shift? I've also heard that I should think of it like trying to hit my ball and another imaginary ball a few inches in front of my ball. This would suggest trying to achieve a very shallow swing path that just barely bottoms out after the ball.

After reviewing the videos myself a second time a few things stand out to me in the face on iron perspective. 1. Instead of a hip slide, I have a whole upper body slide. My head actually stays fairly static in the early part of the swing but shifts forward passed to ball when I shift weight to my front foot. I've read that you need to stay behind the ball. Is the "steady head" key something that is supposed to be maintained throughout the whole swing? How does that work in conjunction with the weight shift and hip slide? 2. At address the ball is a little behind center. It FELT like it was an inch ahead of center or perhaps I lost track of it. I'll have to keep an eye on this...

I added an inch to all my irons. Im going to take them to the range in the next day or so and focus on my posture. Any other thoughts? OTT cant be my only problem! Haha.

Thanks for calling that out. Some of that may be due to my clubs being too short. Im going to lengthen them this weekend. That being said, Ill try focusing on good posture more.

I went to the range today to get some video. I just posted a "My Swing" thread. Thanks for all the feedback.

I've been Playing Golf for: A few months My current handicap index or average score is: 95-105 My typical ball flight is: Fade The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: With irons I want to be able to make solid contact leaving a divot after the ball... consistently. Videos:

Any tips on finding the right instructor? I feel like there is so much misinformation surrounding the golf swing... I would want to know the instructors track record is solid before spending my hard earned money. I was looking into the folks at Evolvr because that would be really convenient, affordable, and they have a good reputation on these forums. The other option is somewhere local in eastern Massachusetts.

Distance is certainly not the issue. The distance is typically right around where I thought. The ball comes off crisp and really flies, just straight right. I can feel when its off center, heel, toe, fat, thin, etc... Physics would suggest an open face.

It sounds like I have no business using those clubs haha. They only ran me 75$ so I could prob get my money back on eBay. To-do: - Try moving the ball forward a bit at the range for experimentation. - Get a basic fitting and get GI irons altered to match (grips, length) - Post swing videos for feedback. Thanks for all the feedback. It helps to validate/invalidate my approach thus far.

Thanks for the responses and welcome messages! I dont keep a handicap but I shoot in the high 90s typically. This is the first year where I have put any effort into learning and playing consistently. I have never been fitted because I have always been under the impression that its expensive. I am fairly tall (6'3") though so I have thought about it. Can you get old used clubs fitted to you? Just to clarify what I mean by the club's "look"... I am not talking about attentiveness or looking cool. Im talking about the confidence I have when standing over the ball and seeing the club at address, visualizing the shot. The older blade looking irons instill more confidence in my swing than clunky, bulky, new game improvement irons. Im certainly going to try moving the ball forward in my stance a bit, that does make alot of sense. Thank you for the tip! Ill post some swing videos soon! Thanks!

I recently bought a used set of older Cleveland 588p irons. Looking down on a simple iron like this inspires me with alot more confidence than my other game improvement set that are big and clunky in appearance (Taylormade RAC OS 05). Another reason I bought the Clevelands was to remove a crutch so I'd learn to swing properly. Now to the point... Even when making solid contact and leaving a divot after the ball every shot goes way right (Im right handed) on a straight line. I assume this has to do with clubhead to shaft offset. I see a few options for myself. 1. Learn to release a bit later so the clubface squares up with these clubs. 2. Find a set of blades or older irons that inspire me in the same way but also include more offset. 3. Go back to game improvement irons and deal with the terrible look these irons have when over the ball. Looking for thoughts/tips/advice. Or perhaps some of you have gone through the same thing. Thanks!

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