lionking
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yes, if you wanted to measure an absolute measure of forgivness there are too many variables. however, there are only a few major variables that really matter: swing speed, swing path (both laterally and vertically), club face angle at impace, impact position (center/toe/heel/high/low). take drivers from all in stock shaft/settings (similar loft) and program the iron byron to hit the ball with all drivers using the same swing and record results (distance, dispersion). change the swing settings and record results. you would have a table that would resemeble something like: Club | Swing Speed | Path | Club face | Impact Position | Distance | Avg. Dispersion Nike DYMO2 | 95 mph | 3 deg out to in| 3 deg open| 0.5" toe | 215 | 25 yds right Ping G15 | 95 mph | 3 deg out to in| 3 deg open| 0.5" toe | 212 | 18 yds right and so on... i'd imagine that with a bunch of data points like this will be very useful to identify the most forgiving drivers for all types of swings, drivers that offer the best combination of distance/dispersion, as well as finding the right driver for a person's game/swing.
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i mean there's the club types- SGI/GI/Players as well as metrics- MOI, CoG, etc.- to categorize golf clubs. then there's the maltby ratins which make absolutely no sense to me... couldn't club mfrs. provide something that's a bit more meaningful, like shot dispersion based on swing path/club face, toe/heel hits, etc. For example, for a driver, they could provide shot dispersions for: - 95 mph swing, out to in path (include degrees), open club face (include degrees), 0.5" towards toe: 215 yd carry, 25 yd right of target. - include all sorts of path angle, club face angle, contact on face: carry/dispersion. they could do these for all types of clubs. shouldn't be a big deal to do a bunch of swings on the iron byron and come up with some type of scale.
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I think at our level (knocking on the single digits), we actually start remembering the 5 bad swings/shots and forget the 20 good swings and the 15 decent swings (assuming 40 full shots/round), and then wonder why we're hitting it so bad. the lessons are the same though- even though most of our shots are decent/good, we're supposed to thin/chunk/snap/slice a handful per round. aligning expectations with reality is a hard, hard thing to do.
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catchy, but just not true. i'd venture to guess that given the usual time one needs to get used to a new set, most (not all) sub 15 hc's will score pretty much the same with any set of irons.
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i would think in this situation, investing in lessons to groove an effective full swing will be the most direct way to break 100 on a consistent basis. it's probably easier to grind your way to a 95 with course management and work on the short game, but i think that's like putting lipstick on a pig.
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that's pretty funny and sad. can't imagine a bunch of suburban, middle-aged duffers (based on drinkage) slugging it out on the course. bet they go to the same church. i wonder what club he hit the guy with... the way i read it, it sounded like the guy that got hit with the club wasn't hurt. i've accidentally dinged myself with a driver while messing around and it HURTS. if you hit someone in the face with it, i'd think the guys in a coma.
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Yup, tricky and unfair in certain conditions (elevated, sloped and exposed greens on a windy day)... and no doubt over the top with his visuals. But gash darn it, he does things differently and you definately know a Dye course when playing one. I'll continue to shell out the big money to play his courses once in a while... Dye coursed I've played: IL- Ruffled Feathers WI- Whistling Straits Irish WI- Blackwolf Run (River/Meadow Composite) SC- Barfoot Resort CA- Lost Canyon Shadow
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what i'm saying is that 1) most 20+ golfers don't know the definition of "average drive" (i'd venture to guess that most serious golfers don't know either) and 2) a good athlete can drive the ball 300+. these distance-related threads come up at least a few times a month on here as well as all the other forums and the development of it is pretty much the same: 25+ says he drives it 325. all the serious golfers call bs to 25 while making sure to include that while they "only" drive 275 they could hit 300 if they wanted to.
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borrowing from "you're not good enough to be mad"- "you're not good enough to be poking fun of others"
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1) there are plenty of 20+ cappers that believe they average ~300 yards. they simply toss out all the drives they don't hit well. 2) i think sean miller (?) made a good point about avid golfers (esp those particiipating in forums) having an overly negative view/reaction to 20+ hcs making claims of 300+ drives. as a whole, we're probably just not that athletic. case in point, when i play with other "avid" golfers, i'm usually the longest at 260 but my playing partners are usually on the shorter, rounder and older side of the population. a month ago, i played with two athletic guys- one a former NFL lineman and the other an active player in adult baseball leagues. the NFL guy hit 290-310 on six of his drives, the other guy couldn't hit his driver but hit his 8-iron 180. neither broke 100 but neither play golf more than three times a year.
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it's unbelievable that a net hasn't been put up yet on that hole. the course gets so many hackers and most of them aim way left (away from LSD) on that hole which only makes the ball slice even more. combined that with the crazy wind and it's just a bad accident waiting to happen. the worst was when one guy kept reloading his drive and put three in a row on to LSD. has to be one of the most dangerous holes in the country.
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There's a 9-hole course (Marovitz) in the city (Chicago) that runs along Lake Michigan on one side and Lake Shore Drive on the other. Hole 8, a short par 4, runs adjacent to LSD separated by a fence, tree line, jogging/bike path. I've seen a few drives go right at the traffic but never seen one hit a car though until today. Guy tops his drive. Guy hits his next shot that goes over the fence and bounces on the highway. On the bounce up, the ball hits the side of an ONcoming van. I say a curse word cuz that's the first time I've actually seen that. We're all still standing near the guy that hit the ball when we see a ball land 5 feet in front of him. The other are looking for the culprit when I realize what happened. I tell the guy to look at the ball to see if that's the ball he hit on to LSD, and yes, it was the same ball. Unbelievable.
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I played it for the first time last year and was pretty nervous too. Don't be, it's actually a pretty straightforward course. The only advice I have is take a GPS if you can.
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agreed. the similarities between pitching and golfing go way beyond the action itself: - initiating the action (rather than reacting to an opponent/object) - importance of mechanics/technique/repetition - importance of control and power (but in that order) - importance of repertoire (types of pitches = types of shots) probably not a coincidence that pitchers are reknown for their golf game (time off during starts def. helps). there isn't a study or anything but i'm pretty sure how fast and accurate you can throw a pitch (if you played baseball) correlates with how far and accurate you can hit a golf ball.
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i learned my swing through golftec (mimicked after the "tour" swing) and i agree that most of the concepts and instructions are the same as those championed by S&T; (at least those that iacas writes about). i've taken a lesson on deep hands (as this guy has also), a lesson on moving the arms inward in the takeaway, a lesson on a steeper shoulder turn, a lesson on having more weight on the left (i'm right handed) at set up, and several lessons on turning versus swaying (the result is a top that looks very similar to S&T;). it really is too bad that there's a name (a corny one at that) associated with the swing that immediately conjures up misconceptions.
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Tried it and like it so far. It's not that hard to get the ball up but you need to put a good swing on it. Will be in my bag for each practice session and to groove a good swing before each round. Much better than other swing devices i've tried (ledbetter thing with blue balls sucked and medicus was garbage too).
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I just got it in the mail today. Would go to the range right now to try it but tweaked the shoulder over the weekend. The club itself looks and feels like a high quality club although i'm wondering to myself how the heck i'm gonna hit this thing. Read a lot about it at the golfwrx site and pretty much nothing but positive news. The concept seems sound as well and should make the range sessions more productive.
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Here's a mid-handicapper's experience going form SGIs (2007 Cobra S9s graphite stiff) to player's clubs (ping i15 steel reg). I'm a decent ballstriker (~9 GIRs) with a 100-105 SS. 1) For all the talk about strong lofts with SGIs, i didn't see a much difference in distance. Maybe like 2-5 yards in carry depending on club. 2) Although the lofts are stronger with the Cobras, the balls go higher. For example, the 44 deg S9 PW goes higher than the 46 deg i15 PW. Same with the other irons. Don't know, might be the shaft. 3) Working the ball from L to R (fade) is easier with the i15s. Working the ball from R to L (draw) is about the same. Working the ball height wise is also about the same. 4) Forgiveness is negligible except for really bad shots (S9s obv. more forgiving) 5) Don't know if it's the new conforming grooves or the lack of height, but i had trouble getting the ball to land softly with the i15s, especially the 5 and 6 irons. Even a well struck PW from a tight lie rolled out much more than the S9s. I played about 36 holes with the i15s and decided to put the old S9s back in. Got a lot of compliments on the i15s which made me feel good but at the end of the day, i just couldn't get over the trajectory and rollout. Would be interested in other's thoughts/experience on playing/transitioning from SGIs to player's clubs. PS: Haven't decided if i'm going to ebay the i15s or not... probably will let’em sit for awhile.
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The Biggest Secret? Slide Your Hips
lionking replied to iacas's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
some great info here. quick question- i find that my ankles roll a bit (mostly right but also a little bit of left, i'm RH) with the slide. it feels a bit unstable and i'm sure my ankles won't feel good in the long term. i also saw on david's video above that his left foot moves a bit. am i doing something wrong or do you have any tips on how to be more stable? thanks in advance.- 949 replies
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hit two hybrids on the monitor recently - 20 deg G15 and 19 deg Adams A7. i hit about 5 shots each. distance for both was right around 235 (220 flight + 15 roll). i've never hit a similar loft hybrid (i've had a bunch) over 215 on the course. methinks the monitor is "calibrated" for either optimal (unrealistic) conditions or just plan exaggerates so golfers buy that new club they're trying out. anybody else think so too?
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How Do You Hit 170 Yards With 7 Iron?
lionking replied to ronaldkuntoro's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
100% agree, and I wish we just ended every distance related thread with that, and not go on about why a 44 deg PW (mine) is a sham and those that play it likely suck. -
How Do You Hit 170 Yards With 7 Iron?
lionking replied to ronaldkuntoro's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
Seems like a lot of the low handies have had their feelings hurt by perceived lower skilled golfers hitting it further with the "same" iron. I mean you probably drive it 25+ yards past them with the driver and that's the ultimate (only) test of a golfer's distance, no? Also, that last sentence is about the stupidest thing i've read in these forums. -
Michael Breed at the Bob Hope - Discuss
lionking replied to iacas's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
Later on in the broadcast, there's an older gentleman that shows up with Breed that appears as though he's KILLING it with the driver. Breed highlights how he has released the club by showing hig hands after impact (right hand has turned over the left) and advises everyone to copy that. Breed is like most (90%?) of instructors (golf or otherwise) out there- baseball hitting/pitching coaches (remember Walt Hriniak's swing down on the ball?), music teachers, and even classroom teachers. They know what works for them (or think they do) so teach that method/system. Can't imagaine them doing otherwise. -
10-Lessons Purchased... What First??
lionking replied to kurtwainwright's topic in Instruction and Playing Tips
kurt, having gone through the 10 lesson package with GolfTec i can give you an idea on what's going to happen. 1) they will do everything they can to get your swing to mimic the "tour swing" (aka the modern swing). you will need to buy into this swing, their methodology, and your teacher. 2) while you can certainly dictate what you can work on (driving, putting, wedges), you will mostly work on your FULL swing, usually on fixing one thing each lesson. i've spent a lesson each on putting and chipping but my suggestion is to save all the lessons for your full swing. 3) if you aren't able to fix the issue (hard to do if you can't practice), your progress will be minimal. in this way, you get what you put into it (much like everything else). 4) i purchased a package that included practice time on their hitting bays. pretty much a waste of time and money. i personally made great strides with golftec- i was a 92-97 guy before and now break 85 pretty consistenly- and purchased another 10 lessons. having said that it took a LOT of work on my part. good luck!