Robos

I like discussing alternative swings - eg stack and tilt, and other methods I see out there. If there was an area to just talk that I’d be all over it. But yeah, I have little interest discussing much else aside from the mevo when it comes to golf - I have other hobbies too. Also, not sure how people can interpret me as a shill - I’ve openly stated problems with the JV swing. I just tell it like I see it. There are good things about the swing, there are bad. For example, I no longer use the JV swing as prescribed - my left knee gets sore after a heavy range session. And I’m being honest when I say JV’s fade and draw are the exact swing just different angles of attack based on his setup. Not only do I see it in the pictures above, but I also experience it.

Hmm, I was told to go post in other threads - which I interpreted as to stop posting in this one - but maybe I interpreted it wrong? I only come to this site when I get an email - which apparently happens when someone posts in a thread I previously have. Which is the only reason I’m posting now - even though I checked the options to stop email notifications I still got one. Also, doesn’t seem like it’s possible to delete my account - looked for that too.

Sure thing - no problem checking out of this thread/site.

If you take 2 exact same swings and shift the camera angle the swings looks different. That’s exactly what I’m seeing with Jim’s two swings.

How so? I’m probably missing it. What I see is that he’s aligned in an open position for the fade and executes it exactly the same as a draw. You can tell he’s hitting a fade because his shoulders are slightly more open, which is all predicated off his setup.

With his swing I can play cuts/fades/draws no problem. However, still weight and a setup position isn’t the complete answer, and I too hit fat shots despite still weight. Jim’s answer would be you’re not 100% focused on still weight but are manipulating your arms in some way because Non-manipulated arms will always return back to the proper impact position. Maybe that’s true in some way, but I can’t do it because my arms are always in my subconscious. His swing is artful IMO - in his downswing the club just falls to hip level while his right shoulder is pinned and he explodes through the ball. I’d love to have a swing like his, and he says to get it your arms have to be like noodles, you can’t even feel them. Easier said than done. He plays a stock 3 yard draw/fade. It probably did curve 3 yards but it would be hard to see.

I only post where my interest lies - plus I only get sandbox emails for this thread and the mevo one. No offense taken. It’s what Jim teaches and you can see it in the video. It’s hard to tell by looking at his feet because the camera angle, but his left foot is more away from the ball with a fade than draw. Also, look at his arms at setup, there is a difference. If he was playing a cut you probably wouldn’t see his left arm at all and his left leg would be very far from the ball.

For fades you open your stance. Weight/etc remains the same but by opening up you deliver a glancing strike.

Hmm, I think what he’s saying.., when he opens the face of his 9i it’s naturally not square in the same way it was unopened at impact, yet he hit a tight draw. So I think what he’s really saying is don’t worry about your club face, just worry about staying closed through impact and you’ll get a tight draw - and to do that maintain still weight. However, for me this simply does not work. Maintaining still weight through impact doesn’t always produce a tight draw. Shoulders/etc move despite your weight.

Agree with all this. Lots of anecdotes that the JV swing makes amateurs better. Without data, or at least anecdotal evidence Jim shouldn’t make these claims about pro’s. I will say that I just got a mevo+ and discovered that while I normally hit my 9 iron 120y, if I reduced effort, maintain stillness, and just focus on my weight I started smoking my 9i 140y. I’m still not consistent hitting 140, but there is something to what he teaches. Tho like you said data is king and it’s lacking.

When you pay and join Jim’s academy you send him videos and he gives feedback. Once you demonstrate an understanding of the swing and can execute it as prescribed he graduates you. I can’t graduate because my arms don’t (for lack of better terms) fall into the slot - I need to let them just fall but my brain won’t do it. Supposedly if I just focus on my lead foot and let my hands and arms do their thing everything will work out - but this is easier said than done for me. My brain just doesn’t trust my arms - so that’s what I’m working on.

Yea, don’t really understand his rationale. Tho yeah, I don’t think he has much of an appetite for defending his swing. What sucks is I’ve been trying to graduate for 2+ years and felt like I was really close, but I need to be able to make sense of things because that’s how I learn. So whatever, I’ll figure it out. I’m still not sure if I should not be able to hit it fat. In theory, if I approach the ball with a fully extended/locked left elbow, then pivot+grip I may not be able to hit it fat. I do setup with loose and relaxed arms which means arm extension on a backswing could lead to inconsistent contact. I’m not really sure, I’ll have to play with it.

Not too much trouble, just that I’ve watched probably hundreds of his videos and was a student for 2+ yrs and I’m only aware of a single swing. Thought you might have stumbled on something new.

He kicked me out of the academy because I argued the point that it’s physically possible for me to hit it fat. I was thinking that my setup was wrong but he took some type of offense and gave me the boot. Tho in fairness to him he reads a ton of emails, and my question was misinterpreted. Even tho I have to finish learning the swing on my own, as an amateur I feel confident I can become scratch with the swing - which is my goal this season. So for me, and probably amateurs like me who use the swing, the proof is in the results, which I have a personal glimpse of. I have no idea if the swing is viable above hobby level. Unless there is sufficient evidence for, skepticism that this swing can go to elite levels is warranted.