Diamana ZF or Tensei Pro Blue

[Spencer6392]

hello im new to the forums and am wondering who has tried the new zf and the pro blue i have a early to mid release  but agressive tempo and agressive transition but looking mid launch low spin for my ts4 8.5 head my favorite shaft of all time was the kuro kage silver tini  but looking for more stability and helping elimating a left miss club head speed bout 110 115 

[Adam C]

They are very similar profile wise, if you can hit one, you can hit the other. Most important thing is to get the weight correct. All that other stuff is of secondary importance.

Two points though, the shaft isn't going to keep the ball from going left, but the feel of a certain shaft may influence your swing such that it causes you to release the head early or change your path. Unfortunately that is not going to be apparent from looking at specs or asking other people their experience. You need to hit it and see. Second, be aware that the entire idea of mid launch low spin, is little more that marketing hype. Launch and spin are directly related. If you have a higher launching shaft, you will likewise have more spin, and vise versa.

[Spencer6392]

100 percent agree with the shafts not gonna stop a miss left im going to club champion in a week ans hoping they will have the zf just was hoping for someone who has may of hit them both by now i have the smoke yellow 6.5 60 gram ans juat no life in thw shaft it feela great ofd the face just would maybe like a limytle more life in the shaft and mayne more launcha dn more spin ive hit the blue board and have liked that but a touch spinny for my style is there any other mid launch low spin youd consider me to review before my trip?

[Adam C]

That yellow is a whole different ball of wax with the counter balancing. Going to feel very different.

Sounds like you gravitate towards the classic blue board soft mid profile. You won't hear me bad mouth any Mitsu shaft, but you could also try a Graphite Design AD IZ, or one of the Fuji Atmos Blue or Speeder Evo shafts.

Again though, all these shafts are going to be pretty similar. You may see slight differences during a fitting, hitting them back to back, but that will often level out over time as your swing adjusts to the shaft.

I would really focus on trying a few different weights. If you are in 60g now, try a 67g and maybe a 75g and see what happens. The weight is always going to have a larger impact than the small differences in bend profile, especially if you are looking within a certain profile type.

[Spencer6392]

yea not a fan of counter balance but didnt wanna pay for an upgraded shaft till i was fit peoperly ive used the white boards t1100 evenflow regular t1100 atmoa black ts 6x hzerous black hc 65 and 75 6.5 just no feel ans really not sure i load the shaft being very steep and very agressive might need somethig to get some pop ala why i liked the blue board and kk tini silver

[Adam C]

In my opinion, the shafts are getting more credit than they deserve recently. Shaft OEMs put out new designs every season now just like the club OEMs. The shaft is only capable of doing a couple things, that being adding loft and closing the face, and both of these are pretty minimal and very dependent on the golfers swing.

If you find a shaft that you like, don't assume you need to upgrade to a newer version. If it ain't broke.

[Spencer6392]

well ive never been fit for a high quality shaft and ive only ever used extensive tip stiff shapfys and now considering going outside that relm again just trying to get some feel and ideas for this mid launch low spin profile

[GOATee]

On 12/3/2019 at 10:09 AM, Spencer6392 said:

yea not a fan of counter balance but didnt wanna pay for an upgraded shaft till i was fit peoperly ive used the white boards t1100 evenflow regular t1100 atmoa black ts 6x hzerous black hc 65 and 75 6.5 just no feel ans really not sure i load the shaft being very steep and very agressive might need somethig to get some pop ala why i liked the blue board and kk tini silver

If you go to Club Champion and they have the shafts, you may want to try

Tensei AV Blue vs Tensei CK Pro Blue, and Diamana ZF vs BF vs DF, as all 5 of these shafts are all going for the "stiff but maintains some pop" space.

Diamana BF series: the latest (4th generation) blue profile shaft, which is the mid launch, mid spin shaft.  Justin Thomas uses it.

Diamana ZF series: similiar to the BF with a stiffer tip area to reduce spin, supposed to be mid launch, low spin shaft.

Diamana DF series: even stiffer and lower spin than the ZF, it mixes the white board mid stiff profile in to be the lowest launch, lowest spin shaft.

Tensei CK Pro Blue: new materials version of the Diamana blue board, CK is carbon kevlar, mid launch, mid spin.  The CK Pro is the aftermarket version, the CK is the cheaper higher torque version. 

Tensei AV Blue: the new replacement for the CK Pro Blue, it uses Aluminium Vapor (AV) instead of CK (carbon kevlar) for more consistency.

Edited December 7, 2019 by GOATee

[Spencer6392]

so ended up going elswwheee to get fitbvb used gc quad with hmt as i notmall see i hit the tip stiff whitevoard the most constent but launch is high to kuro kage 70 tx xt was a very close 2nd but if you offest the spin there would be closer just dont know if i wanna be launching my driver 13 to 14 degrees while this place had obabs and graphite designs they didnt have the pro blue or 4th gen diamanas  so not really sure what to do but he did say stay in the 70 plus range in the shaft

[GOATee]

The earlier versions of the Diamana White board such as the Ahina, White Board or D+ plus are surprisingly good for 70g shafts.

They kept appearing in PGA Winner's Bags (particularly the D+ Plus 70g) even after later generations of the White Board were released.

They are not as boardy feeling as the newer white shafts, but are very stable and tip stiff in the 70g weight.

Edited December 8, 2019 by GOATee

[GOATee]

If you need confirmation that the Diamana White Board 70 is a competitive shaft, Shane Lowry won the British Open 2019 using a Mitsubishi Diamana White 70X.

[Spencer6392]

dont need proof of it i know its a good shaft just not 100 percent set on launch and feel