My Swing (troll2)

[troll2]

I've been Playing Golf for: 4 years
My current handicap index or average score is: 7
My typical ball flight is: draw
The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: fat shots!

I’m working on not early extending/ ”butt against the wall”. If anyone can give some insight why I EE and what I can do about I’m all ears 🙂

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[theeaglequest]

17 hours ago, troll2 said:

I've been Playing Golf for: 4 years
My current handicap index or average score is: 7
My typical ball flight is: draw
The shot I hate or the "miss" I'm trying to reduce/eliminate is: fat shots!

I’m working on not early extending/ ”butt against the wall”. If anyone can give some insight why I EE and what I can do about I’m all ears 🙂

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Very nice swing! I work a lot on keeping the hips back. Part of the cause starts right on your take away, you are pushing the club away from you and at the same time it is causing the weight to fall into your toes. Notice how you lose the tush line on the take away? First put something behind you whenever you practice. Never hit balls without something like a folding camping chair behind you. Second set up with more weight towards your heel. Third stand with your backside to a wall or chair. Have your backside about a 1/2 inch from the chair. Now practice the take away and focus on pushing the hip back. This will cure losing the tush line on the take away. Let me know if you want to help you more. I work a lot on the tush line and plenty of insight to share 🙂

[troll2]

40 minutes ago, theeaglequest said:

Very nice swing! I work a lot on keeping the hips back. Part of the cause starts right on your take away, you are pushing the club away from you and at the same time it is causing the weight to fall into your toes. Notice how you lose the tush line on the take away? First put something behind you whenever you practice. Never hit balls without something like a folding camping chair behind you. Second set up with more weight towards your heel. Third stand with your backside to a wall or chair. Have your backside about a 1/2 inch from the chair. Now practice the take away and focus on pushing the hip back. This will cure losing the tush line on the take away. Let me know if you want to help you more. I work a lot on the tush line and plenty of insight to share 🙂

Thanks, that's very helpful! I have just assumed that I lost the tush line in/after transition, but now that you point it out, I see that I fall forward already in the backswing. This would also explain why I sometimes lose balance/fall forward in follow through, especially with driver.

I'll try the drills you mentioned - a couple of related questions:

1) Like you said, I push the hands away and take the club a bit outside on the backswing. I used to suck the club behind me/under plane and perhaps I have started overcompensating. Would you suggest trying to change this or just focus on the right hip turning deeper?

2) My right knee maintains a lot of flex (I think?) in the backswing. Would pushing the hip back be associated with straightening the right leg more in backswing, or should I maintain flex?

Thanks again!

[theeaglequest]

1 hour ago, troll2 said:

Thanks, that's very helpful! I have just assumed that I lost the tush line in/after transition, but now that you point it out, I see that I fall forward already in the backswing. This would also explain why I sometimes lose balance/fall forward in follow through, especially with driver.

I'll try the drills you mentioned - a couple of related questions:

1) Like you said, I push the hands away and take the club a bit outside on the backswing. I used to suck the club behind me/under plane and perhaps I have started overcompensating. Would you suggest trying to change this or just focus on the right hip turning deeper?

2) My right knee maintains a lot of flex (I think?) in the backswing. Would pushing the hip back be associated with straightening the right leg more in backswing, or should I maintain flex?

Thanks again!

I am very much against straightening the right leg in the backswing for a number of reasons. Hogan always maintained a flex. I attached a pic. Pushing the club away from you the way that you do is disrupting the proper flow of weight. I would recommend changing that by getting more on plane.  I can help you with that if you want. I also want you to roll your toes up in your right foot when you hit balls. This will prevent the weight migrating out on the toes and will encourage the club to not get to far pushed away from you on the take away. Do not roll them up in your left foot, that will cause the weight to flow to quickly to the heel and if you see great players that left the left foot in the backswing they will be up on the big toe of the left foot. You really have a fantastic swing and these fixes will dramatically improve your ball striking

[iacas]

6 hours ago, theeaglequest said:

I am very much against straightening the right leg in the backswing for a number of reasons. Hogan always maintained a flex.

Let's be clear here: Hogan maintained some flex, but he "extended" the trail knee:

I prefer not to call it "straightening" because to me that's binary: something is either "not straight" or it's "straight" but many will use the word "straighten" to mean "make less bent."

@troll2, a face-on video would be helpful.

[theeaglequest]

On 1/12/2020 at 6:28 PM, iacas said:

Let's be clear here: Hogan maintained some flex, but he "extended" the trail knee:

I prefer not to call it "straightening" because to me that's binary: something is either "not straight" or it's "straight" but many will use the word "straighten" to mean "make less bent."

@troll2, a face-on video would be helpful.

You have to be very careful when using words like "straightening". The loss of a very small amount of flex is simply an athletic action as opposed to an intentionally action and it is very brief in Hogan's swing. It is a result of the lateral action Hogan employed and was not intentional or created during the back swing. Another factor is simply the clothes Hogan is wearing gives the illusion of more "straightening" than is actually occurring. Here is an excellent photo of Hogan when he said he was hitting the ball the best in his career and pre accident and it shows the true amount of leg bend. The true action is a pressing back of the right hip and not an intentionally straightening of the right leg. 

[iacas]

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11 hours ago, theeaglequest said:

You have to be very careful when using words like "straightening".

I don't use the word "straighten" I use the word "extend.

But when people say "straighten" in common discourse, they often mean "to make less bent." To extend.

11 hours ago, theeaglequest said:

The loss of a very small amount of flex is simply an athletic action as opposed to an intentionally action and it is very brief in Hogan's swing.

Hogan's right leg extended more than what I would call a "very small amount."

11 hours ago, theeaglequest said:

It is a result of the lateral action Hogan employed and was not intentional or created during the back swing.

A) Hogan didn't employ much of what I would call a "lateral action." It was mostly rotational.
B) I would bet very much that it was "intentional." For the right hip to go up, and for the hips to turn, the right leg generally extends.

11 hours ago, theeaglequest said:

Another factor is simply the clothes Hogan is wearing gives the illusion of more "straightening" than is actually occurring. Here is an excellent photo of Hogan when he said he was hitting the ball the best in his career and pre accident and it shows the true amount of leg bend. The true action is a pressing back of the right hip and not an intentionally straightening of the right leg.

We're going to disagree on that.

Bold word -> "extending."

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@troll2, the topic is now and once again all yours.

[troll2]

I have had a range session where I tried to work on the back swing with varying success. 

But, I also had a look at my swing in september. If I draw a tush line it seems I am maintaining it (or very close to) at least until impact. Is this just a camera angle difference or am I doing something different here?

I will try to get a front on video from my next range session...

[theeaglequest]

8 hours ago, troll2 said:

I have had a range session where I tried to work on the back swing with varying success. 

But, I also had a look at my swing in september. If I draw a tush line it seems I am maintaining it (or very close to) at least until impact. Is this just a camera angle difference or am I doing something different here?

I will try to get a front on video from my next range session...

You are doing a nice job here of holding the tush line. When you are playing your worst I would bet you are losing the tush line very early in the back swing. Nice flex in your knees during the swing that shows you are an athlete, because you have a natural sense to use ground forces. You also employ a wonderful sit down position.  You are really not far from an excellent swing. I would love to see a video with something behind you. I can show you what I use if you like. Have you ever watched Wayne Defrancesco on youtube? He has a great video talking about Hogan vs Tiger and how they maintained the tush line. Here it is 

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by theeaglequest

[theeaglequest]

Here watch these down the line views of tour players on this wonderful thread. Pay close attention to their right knees. You do a great job maintaining the flex as they do. 

 

[iacas]

25 minutes ago, theeaglequest said:

Here watch these down the line views of tour players on this wonderful thread. Pay close attention to their right knees. You do a great job maintaining the flex as they do.

There are very, very, very few PGA Tour players who maintain the same flex throughout the swing. Virtually all extend the trail leg during the backswing.

Final warning, @theeaglequest. I told you to take the conversation to another topic, as this is @troll2's topic, not your topic for general swing theory.

[Rippy_72]

I like your swing a lot. Nothing is perfect.  It is hard to tell but it appears your ball position is too far forward for what appears to be a middle iron, this could be part of the fat shot issue.  I'm a big guy, too.  Your weight seems to be toward your toes.  When I wear sneaker-like golf shoes, I get into that pattern of improper weight balance.  If I want to play a serious round, I need shoes with a very secure heel.  Like the old FJ classics.