Lemieux vs. Gretzky for GOAT

[iacas]

Howe faced nobody.

Goalies didn’t even wear masks the first 13 or 14 years he played.

[GolfSwami]

On 5/27/2020 at 3:21 PM, billchao said:

Hockey is kind of interesting when discussing GOATs because it’s relatively simple to adjust points for era.

This post from Copper & Blue is relevant:

NHL Career Leaders: Era-Adjusted Points Per Game

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Adjust the entirety of NHL history for era affects and some remarkable things appear.

Lemiux tops Gretzky in era adjusted PPG.

Bobby Orr is 5th, geez.

 

Gretzky wins in basically every advanced metric. 

Gretzky had the same adjusted P/G playing 1487 games vs Lemieux's 915 games.   Gretzky played eight years longer and his production dropped dramatically his last seven years which is is going hurt his P/G. That stat (along with literally every other one) should settle the debate.

 

 

[iacas]

2 hours ago, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky wins in basically every advanced metric. 

No he doesn't. Not when you adjust for scoring. In the seasons where they overlapped, despite Lemieux playing on much weaker teams… Lemieux was much better.

2 hours ago, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky had the same adjusted P/G playing 1487 games vs Lemieux's 915 games.

When scoring was significantly higher.

2 hours ago, GolfSwami said:

Gretzky played eight years longer and his production dropped dramatically his last seven years which is is going hurt his P/G. That stat (along with literally every other one) should settle the debate.

EVERYONE's production dropped. Rules changes, goalies getting better, clutch-and-grab, etc.

Sorry, no, the debate is not settled.

I mean, c'mon man, you quoted a post with era-adjusted points per game. Lemieux tops Gretzky despite playing on significantly weaker teams on average.