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I'm in the market for a new set of irons. I currently play Titleist 690mb (2-pw). I was looking at the Titleist AP2 irons or the Titleist ZB combo. Any suggestions?

What I play:
Titleist 905R 7.5* w/ Graphite Design YS-6+
Titleist 906F2 15* w/ Aldilla NVS 75s
Titleist 690mb (2-pw) w/ Dynamic Gold S300
Titleist Vokey spin milled 54* 60* wedges Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2 Heavy Titleist ProV1x ball


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Mizuno MP-57 is a good place to start (and finish).

Driver: MP-600 9.5 w/ Fujikura E360 Stiff Shaft
4 Wood: F-60 16.5 w/ Exsar FS3 Stiff Shaft
Irons:MP-57 3-PW w/ Dynamic Gold S300 Shafts
Wedges: MP-R Black-Ni 52, 56, & 60
Putter: Studio Select Newport 2Ball: ProV1/ProV1xGrips: Winn Xi7


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Agree with above

Drivers: 10.5* Superquad with blue ProLaunch shaft or a SQ 460 Lucky 13
Woods: X Tour 15* 3 wood with Fujikura shaft
Irons: Big Bertha irons
Hybrid: Draw Rescue 3 19* with Reax shaft
Wedge: C-10 60*Putter: Rossa Monza CorzaAge: 18Location: Rochester Hills, MichiganBest Shot-75


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I've had my AP2s with ProjX flighted shafts for a week now and have been surprised, in a good way. I tried the MP57s with DGS300 and they were equal to the AP2's, though slightly more harsh on thin hits. I had my heart set on the MP57s because I used to play T-Zoid Pros but found the AP2s to be better for me.

In my BagBoy Clip-Lok bag:

Driver: Titleist 909 D2
3 Wood: Callaway X tour (alternates with 2H hybrid depending on the course)
Hybrid: Titleist 909H 21 degreeIrons: Titleist AP2 4-PW, PX 5.5 flighted shaftWedges: Titleist Spin Milled 52 degree, Taylor Made Rac Black TP 56 and 60 deg.Putter:...


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I was a Mizuno guy until I hit the AP2 irons. I was all set to buy the MP-57 irons but my instructor wanted me to hit the AP2 irons before I ordered them.

I have been using DG shafts and tried the AP2 irons with PX and DG shafts. I liked the AP2 irons with DGS300 shafts better than the MP-57 irons with DGS300 shafts. But I really liked the AP2 irons with PX 5.5 shafts!

The AP2 irons provide all the feedback the MP-57 irons do, but in a less harsh manor. I know where on the face I hut the ball. The AP2 irons are more forgiving in general but most especially on toe hits. With the tungsten Nickel sole, the AP2 laughs off slightly thin hits. I can work the ball either direction. The only knock is that it is slightly more difficult to hit low shots with AP2 irons compared to the MP-57 irons. But only slightly....

I've had the AP2 irons for about two moths and I am not one bit sorry I got them over the MP-57 irons.

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Driver: Nike Dymo² Str8-Fit 9.5° UST AXIV Core 69 Stiff
3 Wood: Nike Sumo² 3 Wood 15° Aldila VS Proto 65 Stiff
Hybrid: Cobra Baffler Pro 3/R 20° DGS300
Irons: Titleist AP2 3-PW PX 5.5 (+ 1/2" and 2° upright)
Wedge: Titleist Vokey Design 200 Series 52°/8° Wedge: Titleist Vokey...

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