Ping irons

[AK jr.]

just wondering, is it true that ping irons/clubs in general will go a little bit shorter than other brands? my teacher has a ping endorsement and he is going to make a run at the senior tour, but he convinced me to get i10s a while ago and they feel good, but compared to my old callaways i am hitting a 7 iron 155 versus an 8 iron the same distance when i hit the callaways. its not a huge deal but i played with an ex tour pro friend yesterday and he said when he had his pings he had to go 1 club up.

[obsessedgolfer]

Does anyone know why ping irons have a dip in the hossel?

[rebby]

just wondering, is it true that ping irons/clubs in general will go a little bit shorter than other brands? my teacher has a ping endorsement and he is going to make a run at the senior tour, but he convinced me to get i10s a while ago and they feel good, but compared to my old callaways i am hitting a 7 iron 155 versus an 8 iron the same distance when i hit the callaways. its not a huge deal but i played with an ex tour pro friend yesterday and he said when he had his pings he had to go 1 club up.

FWIW, I hit my ZM's about 1/2 to 1 club further than I did my i3's. My i3's are 1/4" shorter than the ZM's though-out the set (which results in a lie angle that is roughly 1' flatter though the set which still fits me perfectly). The i3's are also 0.5' stronger in loft than the ZM's with the exception of the 4-iron, 5-iron and PW which have equal lofts.

Does anyone know why ping irons have a dip in the hossel?

From

release documents for my i3 blades which, IIRC, were the first to feature the new hosel design ->

The Notched Hosel, which is not visible at address, enables Ping to control the connection of the hosel to the clubhead. The result is an optically pleasing, smooth transition between the hosel and clubhead that can be precisely calibrated for loft and lie. The Flat Top Hosel increases the cross-sectional area of the shaft that is in contact with the hosel where the shaft enters the clubhead. This design reduces shaft stress for improved feel.

[Laxplayer201092]

way to totally hijack his thread..haha


But anyway, it depends on your old irons, if they were say the fusions, or any other GI iron from them, the lofts were probobly very strong, for example, im pretty sure the callaway PWis around 45 degrees in there game improvement clubs, whereas an i10 is probobly 47-48.

I used to play S59's, and i never noticed any distance loss with them from my r7TP, RAC MB, or my MP30's...

[gogolfing]

I have i10's and I don't hit them any less far than other clubs I demoed; in fact they were a bit longer for me, but could include the fitting process etc...

[AK jr.]

way to totally hijack his thread..haha

they were steelhead x-14s. i like the feel of my i10s but i hit every iron extremely high. i can increase my swingspeed and still get the same control but it goes even higher and only 2-3 yards further. it just annoys me cuz im hitting my long irons about the same height as my short irons. oh and they are red dot so i think thats 1/2 a degree flat? how much does that effect ball flight/trajectory?

[rudygu]

they were steelhead x-14s. i like the feel of my i10s but i hit every iron extremely high. i can increase my swingspeed and still get the same control but it goes even higher and only 2-3 yards further. it just annoys me cuz im hitting my long irons about the same height as my short irons.

The i10's have a pretty low center of gravity, which contributes to a high ball flight. But the shaft could be a factor in this as well. Are you using the same type of shaft in the i10's that you had in the x-14's? If the shafts in the new clubs have a softer tip section than the previous ones, they would promote a higher, spinnier ball flight.

oh and they are red dot so i think thats 1/2 a degree flat? how much does that effect ball flight/trajectory?

Assuming that both sets of clubs fit you properly, I don't see how this would effect it at all. (Yes, I'm aware of what they say about people who make assumptions...)

[N.V.M.]

i'm using i5's and they hit as long as any iron out there. today i hit a 9 iron from 148 to pin high, and drew it back 4 feet.my 8i i'll use if i'm just under 160. these irons do tend to hit the ball high as well.

[AK jr.]

n.v.m. whats ur swingspeed? mine has decreased a little bit lately but i have worked with my coach a lot and occasionally i will tell him that im going to try to crush say an 8 iron, and then i ask him if made a good swing but just at a faster speed. the other day my ball striking was incredible while i was doing this, but it just went higher and slightly farther but not enough to really make a difference.

and rudygu, the steelheads weren't fitted for me, but the i10s are. i do spin the ball a ton which is sometimes adventageous. like i spun a 4 iron about 2 feet yesterday. but i have the z-z65s in them which supposedly promote a lower ball flight but i still hit it ridiculously high. im just wondering what shaft would have the lowest trajectory but then when i pound the ball it wouldn't go as high

[rebby]

n.v.m. whats ur swingspeed? mine has decreased a little bit lately but i have worked with my coach a lot and occasionally i will tell him that im going to try to crush say an 8 iron, and then i ask him if made a good swing but just at a faster speed. the other day my ball striking was incredible while i was doing this, but it just went higher and slightly farther but not enough to really make a difference.

How stiff are the shafts in your PINGs? I find that I have a higher ball flight with a stiff shaft than I do with an X-stiff (DG S300 vs X100).

[rudygu]

and rudygu, the steelheads weren't fitted for me, but the i10s are. i do spin the ball a ton which is sometimes adventageous. like i spun a 4 iron about 2 feet yesterday. but i have the z-z65s in them which supposedly promote a lower ball flight but i still hit it ridiculously high. im just wondering what shaft would have the lowest trajectory but then when i pound the ball it wouldn't go as high

Like you, I tend to hit my irons high to very high and sometimes struggle with ballooning them due to excess spin. I use Dynamic Gold X100 shafts to help keep the trajectory lower and they work pretty well. The trajectory of these shafts is about as low as you'll find. My swing speed with my 5 iron is around 90 mph and my tempo is moderately quick, but not extreme.

I found this post that may help on the golfwrx forums:

schlebrock May 13 2007, 09:37 AM This information is from the Ping website: CS-LITE (Regular & Stiff): Weight: 93.9 ®, 107.3 (S) Torque: 1.8 ®, 1.7 (S) Description: Lightweight steel shaft that has a mid flex point and a mid to soft tip section. A very common shaft found in the G2 and G5 series. Ball Flight: This shaft is designed to hit the ball the highest of all of the shafts offered at this flex. Z-Z65 (Stiff): Weight: 108.8g Torque: 1.6 Description: An updated version of the ZZ-Lite. Lightweight steel shaft that has a high flex point and stiff tip section. This shaft is only offered in stiff. The Z-Z65 is similar in flex to a Dynamic Gold S300, but is much lighter in weight. A very common shaft in ISI irons through current iron offerings. Ball Flight: This shaft is designed for a mid-ball flight due to the weight. It should fly lower then the CS-Lite and higher then the DGS and DGX. ZZ-LITE (Stiff): Weight: 115.0g Torque: 1.9 Description: Very similar to the Z-Z65 but heavier in weight. The ZZ-Lite has a high flex point and stiff tip section. A very common shaft in Eye 2 irons. Ball Flight: Same as the Z-Z65. (NOT available for new orders) JZ (Regular & Stiff): Weight: 109.8g ®, 115.1g (S) Torque: 1.9 ® 1.7 (S) Description: A mid weight steel shaft that plays a little softer than the Z-Z65 and ZZ-Lite. A very common shaft in Zing, Zing 2, and ISI irons. Ball Flight: Due to the mid flex point of this shaft it is designed to hit the ball between the CS-Lite and the Z-Z65. (NOT available for new orders) DGS (Stiff): Weight: 124.5g Torque: 1.5 Description: Dynamic Gold S-400. A heavy shaft with a high flex point and a stiff tip section. Ball Flight: Weight of this shaft should hit the ball lower then all of the shafts except the DGX. DGX (X-Stiff): Weight: 122.8g Torque: 1.4 Description: Dynamic Gold X-100. A heavy shaft with a high flex point and a very stiff tip section. Ball Flight: This shaft is heavy and aimed at players with a high swing speed or quick tempo. The shaft should produce the lowest ball flight of all shafts listed. KT & KT-M (Stiff): Weight: 106g Torque: 1.9 Description: A mid weight shaft with a high flex point and stiff tip section. These shafts are most commonly found in Eye2, and Zing irons. Ball Flight: Mid, similar to ZZ-Lite (NOT available for new orders) Microtaper (Stiff): Weight: 115g Torque: 1.9 Description: A mid-weight shaft with a high flex point and stiff tip section. This shaft is very similar to the KT Shaft. Most commonly found in the K series, Eye, and Eye 2 irons. Ball Flight: Mid, similar to ZZ-Lite (NOT available for new orders)

In

this thread here on the sandtrap forums Everardo (who knows far more about shafts than myself) describes the properties of rifle, project x, and dynamic gold shafts.

[Laxplayer201092]

I would look into the Project X or rifles.. i switched to rifles 6.0 from dgs300 and they definetly have a lower trajectory..but while i hit it lower, i still get some decent check with my 8 iron.

[AK jr.]

so project x shafts have a low ballflight also?