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I have a quick question. How does the groove size compare to the top of the range of wedges like Vokeys and Clevelands? Are they the same size, or are they narrow and shallow like the cheaper wedges around? I'm thinking of getting a set of the Adams wedges but none of the stores around here have any in stock so can't check them out myself.

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The grooves are the same as any of the top quality wedges. I spin them as well as any of the big name wedges. I like the shape and grind on them too.

I have 3 different sets of the Watson wedges from the 2006 chrome wedges, a set of Watson gunmetal wedges and a set of the 2007 Watson satin wedges. I love the 2007 satin finish wedges and those have been in my bag for over a year.

I have hit almost all the "big name" wedges and still prefer the Adams Watson wedges. About the only thing I don't like about Adams clubs is the grips they put on them -- IMO opinion they use cheap grips. First thing I do when I get them is to change to Tour Velvet grips and all is well.

I like the Vokeys and TM RAC TP satin wedges but the Watson wedges are a bargain that flies under the radar.

What's in my bag (most of the time)

Exotics 12°, Aldila VS Proto 65S
Exotics CB1 4W, 16.5°, Fujikura Stiff
3DX DC Ironwood 20°, 23°, 26º Hybrids, Proforce V2 Stiff Acer XP905 Pro 6-PW, Dynalite Gold S300Inazone CNC Spin Satin GW 50°/8°, SW 54°/14°, LW 58°/4°Boccieri...


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The grooves are the same as any of the top quality wedges. I spin them as well as any of the big name wedges. I like the shape and grind on them too.

Thanks, that's good to hear. They do seem like a pretty good bargain for the price.


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I'd completely disagree. Grooves are much smaller on my watson wedges than on my tm Z TP wedge. I spin the ball noticibly more with the z tp on short chips. On full shots there's no comparison between the two. The Z TP wins out.

I don't know why so many people complain about the grips. Yes they smell funky when new, but I feel the generic shaft is the problem with these wedges. I completely agree about the shape/grind. I really like the way they look cosmetically.

If I could do it again, I would save the $90 I spent on the set of 3 and buy one Z TP custom fit to me for $99. I've found that personally, I'm happy with just one or two wedges.

Two things to note:

1) Not sure if its still going on, but I've read somewhere that theres some sale going on for the 3 wedge set for $50 of an older model. And about $80 for a different model. For $50, I think there is no need to even hesitate. You won't regret buying them.

2) My Z TP is custom length/lie and it's entirely possible some problems I had with the watsons were just becase they were too small for a tall guy like me.

In the end it IS a solid wedge, but like I said, imo, it's not close to the Z TP i've been playing. If you made a ratio of price/performance... I'm thinking the watsons would win that contest however.

Driver: Tour Burner 9.5° Stock Stiff
Wood: Tour Burner TS 13° Stock Stiff
Hybrid: Tour Burner T2 18° Stock Stiff
Irons: Tour Preferred 3-PW Rifle Project X 6.0
Wedges: 54.10|58.08 Z TP Rifle Spinner 5.5 Putter: VP Mills VP2 Ball: TP/Red.LDP Bag: Warbird Hot Stand Bag 2.0Started playing...


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Had great luck with the 52 and 56 gunmetals, have carried them for about 3 seasons or so now. I don't carry a 60, so mine is pristine. The wedges look good, and spin as well as any I have owned.

Driver: Titleist 905T 11.5*

Hybrids: Cleveland HALO Hybrids 19*, 22*

Irons Snake Eyes Python O/S irons (I carry 5,7,9,A irons)

Wedges: Adams Tom Watson SW 56* (sometimes carry Adams Tom Watson LW 60*)

Putter: Odyssey Dual Force 2 Rossie or Tommy Armour EFT Series Model 6


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I think they r on sale at rock bottom golf 3 for $50

10.5 Adams Speedline
13    Adams GT Tight Lies 3wd

19    Adams GT Tight Lies 5wd
4-aw Taylormade R7 irons
56-60 Cleveland wedge

Odyssey 2 ball blade putter


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I use the Adams Tom Watson PVD wedges that I bought on rockbottomgolf.com. I find them just fine for my game. They don't give me the maximum spin but for the price I can't complain. I prefer my friend's Cleveland wedges but that will be in the future. Love the lob wedge, gotten rather pretty good at flop shots with it.

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Just ordered a set of the PVD wedges off Rock Bottom Golf. It's actually cheaper to get them shipped over from the US than to buy them locally so now I just have to wait untill they get here!

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