Fitting - New Callaway Razr X HL Clubs

[Padawan]

Being new to the game (playing since last august), I made the mistake of picking up an off the rack of diablo edge irons last fall.  But here is the BIG mistake, I'm only 5 foot 2.  Since the standard size golf club is made for someone much taller, I figured I'd go down to the local shop and get fitted.

The fitter told me that my shafts had to be shorten an inch and 1/4 and that I needed my current clubs to be 2 degrees flat.

So, I'm trading in my Diablos and ordered a set of Razr X HLs.  When I hit the HL Clubs he said I the shafts shorten an inch and 1/4 but these only have to be 1 degree flat.

so here is my question, does it make sense that the diablos and the Razrs need to be 1 degree different?  I did not swing using a launch monitor, just using tape and a black board.

and do you think these new fitted clubs will help me get more consistent with my iron game.

[Dustdevil21]

Here is my learning experience with a fitting, granted I am playing with standard length equipment.

I have been playing with a set of clubs I picked up in '95, I hit my brother's Pings G10's last year and liked them so I bought a set.  Standard lie/length, stiff shafts.  Couldn't hit them accurately at all and I seemed to be about 10 yards shorter than my old clubs.  Took them to a golf shop in Charleston (I was on the road for training) and hit them of the mat, and found out I needed them adjusted .75 deg flat.  They adjusted the lie and it helped a little.

Trying to figure out what was going on, I found a web site called Revolution Golf and started watching the videos.  The ones on club fitting/making really caught my eye.  So while I was in California in May, I made an appointment with "The Club Fix" for a fitting.  What an experience, and I highly recommend a fitting with someone that does it with a launch monitor of some brand, outdoors and has the different clubs to hit with.  They gave me my fitting recommendation sheet so I know what clubs to get with what shafts.

As I went through my fitting for irons, it came down to the Razr X HL's and the Ping K15 (neither of which I would have bought off the shelf prior).  These clubs had aftermarket shafts and as I hit the different clubs I could feel the difference in them by the way they felt in the hands at address.  I ended up hitting the HL's with Aerotech Steelfiber i70 shafts the best.  I have since sold my Pings and went back to my old Irons till I can get my new clubs with the Aerotech shafts.

Two other interesting things I learned is that my supposed "stiff" shaft pings weren't consistently stiff.  My 3-6 irons were all regular flex and my 6-PW progressively got stiffer.  They explained with the new shafts the flex will be similar in each club so the 5 iron will feel the same as the 9 iron in the swing.

Second thing I found out in the fitting process is I can't hit with a "White" headed club consistent.  I tried all of the new white clubs (driver, fairway wood, hybrid) and all of the results were the same.  While I could hit them, my consistency (distance, dispersion, accuracy) with them was terrible.  I would hit a white headed club and then he would give me a black headed club and it was like night and day.

My bag fitting ended up with a Callaway Razr X Driver, a Titelist 910f 3-wood, (with different Fujikura Speeder shafts), Taylormade 3 & 4 Hybrids with Matrix Kujoh 64 shaft, the Callaway Razr X HL's with the Aerotech Steelfiber i70 shafts and Titleist Vokey Wedges with the Steelfiber's

Sorry it is long winded, but I would highly recommend a fitting with a reputable company.  If you go to the SST Pureing web site, you can look up and see if any fitters that are authorized to do their Pureing to club shafts, and you will be able to find a club that fits you.

[Padawan]

thanks for the reply and thats really interesting how you figured out that you cant hit a  white head club.  I have a Burner 2.0  3 wood with the white head, can't say I have a problem hitting it, probably hit it  better that my black crown Diver.

My custom Razr HLs are coming in this week so I'll let you know how it goes, but I played today with my current standard Diablo Edges, and just chocking down the inch and 1 quater helped a lot.  I'm sure the proper length and the proper lie will make an improvement.

[WUTiger]

One degree difference in recommended lie angle is understandable. Here are some factors that could contribute...

* Edge and Razr X HL are different models of clubs, designed three years apart. They likely have different standard lie angles for their irons.

* One degree is within measurement error for a basic fitting.

Note that standard clubs are designed for people about 5-9 to 6-1 in height. Since you are 5-2, it's likely you would need non-standard lie angles and shaft lengths.

As a beginner, a static fitting would likely benefit you most. This basic fitting takes into account shaft length, lie angle, shaft flex and grip thickness. After you've been playing a couple of seasons and your swing stabilizes, consider a more detailed fitting . For most beginners, even those who practice a lot, your swing changes from day to day.

Also, be cautious about the PUREing fitting process. Some places charge up to $50 a club for the PUREing. And, many golf pros doubt PUREing delivers any real benefit to the everyday golfer, especially beginners with unstable swings.

Here's a recent Sand Trap thread on the topic. http://thesandtrap.com/t/44851/pure-ing-shafts

[Padawan]

totally agree that a basic fitting was enough.  He took static measurements and I hit with some tape on the clubs and a black board. For the same reasons you mentioned about swing development, the fitting pro was actually planning on bending my diablo edges until we realized the Razr HLs were on sale and I could still get a trade in value for the edges.

thanks

[Bullitt5339]

Welcome to the world of being a short golfer.

I am 5'5", but with a steep swing plane, so mine are 1" short, 2* flat.  The difference was immediate, even when I was a 36 handicap.  It's so much easier to get better at the game when you have clubs that aren't an inch too long for you.

[airguard]

Had a Callaway fitting a few months ago.

I had been playing Ping Zing 2 std L/L (black dot) with graphit shafts (reg flex).

I wanted another set of game improvement irons so demoed the HLs and was fitted.

Started with the graphite shafts and the fitter was able to move my shots from hard right to hard left with a few minor adjustments.

Found my set up than he advised I try a steel shaft (the True Temper std shaft that comes in the HLs), they were nice but not as nice as the graphite. He then had me try the True Temper GS-95 (reg flex). What a huge difference from the graphite. Just felt the ball was being struck so much better.

I bought the 6-9 and 4 wedges all with TT GS-95 reg shafts, std length and 2* upright. I couldn't be happier, fitting was the big key. I love these things. Still working out some distances but I can now pick a club, aim at the target 9 not always hit, but...) and hit the ball with confidence. Well worth the money.

I'm 62 and am not going to try to change my swing this late in life, so bought clubs that fit my swing.