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short story long - I was fitted over a year ago for ping g20 irons (red dot) when the fitting was done I order the irons a inch longer then stock. why? I thought it would make for more distance. also ordered the yellow grips (fatter). well the last couple of weeks I developed a case of open club face through out my swing which me and my teacher got figured out today. during today's lesson try to nail down the open face problem. I asked if the fat grip would make it hard for me to controll the club face so he bolted together a g20 7. with stock length shaft and grip, well. when I took my first swing it felt 2lbs lighter, it was actually reliving to swing that club. I asked my teacher why it was so light feeling he told me because I ordered my clubs with a 1 inch longer shaft. the weight of my clubs were not the problem of the open face because I can hit them just fine now and get the face shut, but in my mind I'm not liking how heavy the feel now. and leaves me questioning over all controll. what do you guys think should I play out the season with the irons I have now? (can be done) should I have a inch taken off of them? (worried loft and lie will change) or should redo the fitting and buy new g20's? or g25? thoughts?

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Time to ho some clubs it sounds like to me. You could flatten yours, but they are probably cast not forged, and you could damage them. Plus feel is a big deal and you no longer care for the feel.

Tom R.

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General rules on lie angle and shaft length change:

  • Lengthen shaft 1/2", makes lie angle 0.75° more upright; + 1" = 1.5° more upright.
  • Shorten shaft 1/2", makes lie angle 0.75° flatter, etc...

The thicker grip will slow down the closing of the hands, and if too thick would cause slicing.

... during today's lesson try to nail down the open face problem. I asked if the fat grip would make it hard for me to controll the club face so he bolted together a g20 7. with stock length shaft and grip, well. when I took my first swing it felt 2lbs lighter, it was actually reliving to swing that club. I asked my teacher why it was so light feeling he told me because I ordered my clubs with a 1 inch longer shaft. ...

Lengthening a shaft 1/2" would increase the swingweight +3 points. (i.e., D2 to D5)). + 1" would be + 6 swingweight points, making your irons feel definitely heavier than the stock length version of the iron.

I would suggest using impact decals on the face of your irons. See where you are getting your impact clusters. Impact clusters toward the heel indicate too long a shaft, impacts toward the toe indicates too short a shaft.

Also, put sole decals on your irons to see where the rub point appears. A center rub indicates proper lie angle; a heelward rub indicates too upright a lie; a toeward rub indicates too flat a lie. Score marks on the decal would recommend adjustments, based on the rub marks.

Longer shafts will increase distance, but overdoing shaft length also will increase the likelihood of not hitting the ball at center clubface.

What to do? You know what's involved, so it's your call.

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I dont think its a coincidence that my Scotland loft and lie machine and my TLT measurements have flatter lies as the clubs get longer. The length relationships are so much more natural for me. TLT is, besides my laser, one of the best things I have spent money on for golf. http://www.danscustomgolfshop.com/truelengthtechnology.html

Tom R.

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would the swing weight have been adjusted by ping? being that this was a custom fitting also I would think ping would adjust to the correct loft and lie when making the shaft longer? or am I just assuming? I hit the clubs pretty good when I have a good swing. I think I may just go after a new stock shafted set, I really liked the lighter feel swing weight compared to mine. learn from this rookie mistake. I was trying to be tricky by adding a inch to gain distance but I really think I messed up doing this. the shorter lighter club felt almost like I could hit it further. I wish now I had more the 3 hits with it. thanks for your input all T

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