P7 to P9 Question

[scopek]

Hi,

I'm hoping to learn more about how the club head, club shaft, and hands/forearms should work after impact to P9. I'm a bit confused on the relationship between coming out of impact and how these elements are supposed to be in relation to the swing plane. I know there are differing thoughts on this, but I'm more interested in the 5SK and/or S&T approach. It seems that when I watch videos of players who are more S&T oriented, for example, that some of them rotate their forearms so that the left hand is open and parallel to the swing plane where as some of the players seem to hold off on rotating their forearm.

Any video clips or pics that might help?

Thanks!

[mvmac]

Hi,

I'm hoping to learn more about how the club head, club shaft, and hands/forearms should work after impact to P9. I'm a bit confused on the relationship between coming out of impact and how these elements are supposed to be in relation to the swing plane. I know there are differing thoughts on this, but I'm more interested in the 5SK and/or S&T; approach. It seems that when I watch videos of players who are more S&T; oriented, for example, that some of them rotate their forearms so that the left hand is open and parallel to the swing plane where as some of the players seem to hold off on rotating their forearm.

Any video clips or pics that might help?

Thanks!

Either one works, both these guys hit push draws, you can see both balls are starting right. What happens with the rotation of the face after impact isn't all that important.

S&T; guys might like to see the flying wedge "held" longer. All that does is slow things down. For the right combination of speed and contact, lead arm and shaft should be inline at impact. There will be some dorsi flexion in the right wrist. After impact the "wedge" comes out and the left wrist will start to dorsi flex (cup). Key #3, Inline Impact, isn't a position to be maintained for very long.

These positions are more results of good sequencing and Keys 1 and 2. The stuff I described aren't swing thoughts/feels.

[scopek]

Either one works, both these guys hit push draws, you can see both balls are starting right. What happens with the rotation of the face after impact isn't all that important.

S&T guys might like to see the flying wedge "held" longer. All that does is slow things down. For the right combination of speed and contact, lead arm and shaft should be inline at impact. There will be some dorsi flexion in the right wrist. After impact the "wedge" comes out and the left wrist will start to dorsi flex (cup). Key #3, Inline Impact, isn't a position to be maintained for very long.

These positions are more results of good sequencing and Keys 1 and 2. The stuff I described aren't swing thoughts/feels.

Thanks, Mike, for the response. You mentioned that holding the flying wedge longer will slow things down. Would holding the wedges longer negatively effect club head speed or anything else? Do you see any advantage to holding the wedges longer in terms of control, or is just "a feel thing"?

[mvmac]

Thanks, Mike, for the response. You mentioned that holding the flying wedge longer will slow things down. Would holding the wedges longer negatively effect club head speed or anything else?

Did you see that 5th Power Accumulator thread? I linked to it in my previous post but I'll share it again.

To be clear, I certainly want there to be "lag" but like I said it's more of a byproduct of good sequencing and Keys 1 and 2.

Do you see any advantage to holding the wedges longer in terms of control, or is just "a feel thing"?

I see an advantage for achieving an inline impact

Adding more flying wedge to an inline condition doesn't result in more control.

In terms of feels, someone that has a severe flip will probably feel like they are "holding" their wrist angles longer on the downswing in this drill. Depends on the player, their tendencies and priority.

[scopek]

Did you see that 5th Power Accumulator thread? I linked to it in my previous post but I'll share it again.

To be clear, I certainly want there to be "lag" but like I said it's more of a byproduct of good sequencing and Keys 1 and 2.

I see an advantage for achieving an inline impact

Adding more flying wedge to an inline condition doesn't result in more control.

In terms of feels, someone that has a severe flip will probably feel like they are "holding" their wrist angles longer on the downswing in this drill. Depends on the player, their tendencies and priority.

Thanks, again, for your response. Reading about the 5th power accumulator cleared up a lot. The interesting thing is that one of my first instructors who is an authorized Jim Hardy instructor taught me a release that essentially was to use palmer flexion and dorsi flexion. However, I later ended up seeing a TGM instructor who told me not to do that anymore and said that I should hold the right flying wedge and "swivel" after impact by rotating my left forearm and keeping a flat left wrist. However, this felt like I was "flipping" the club and had to use more timing to make it work. Now I'm working with Stephan through evolver and he does not want me to hold my angles anymore after impact...It just starts to get confusing. But reading through the 5th accumulator thread makes what Stephan clearer. It is just more natural for me to end up releasing those wedges. So, thanks!

[mvmac]

Thanks, again, for your response. Reading about the 5th power accumulator cleared up a lot. The interesting thing is that one of my first instructors who is an authorized Jim Hardy instructor taught me a release that essentially was to use palmer flexion and dorsi flexion. However, I later ended up seeing a TGM instructor who told me not to do that anymore and said that I should hold the right flying wedge and "swivel" after impact by rotating my left forearm and keeping a flat left wrist. However, this felt like I was "flipping" the club and had to use more timing to make it work. Now I'm working with Stephan through evolver and he does not want me to hold my angles anymore after impact...It just starts to get confusing. But reading through the 5th accumulator thread makes what Stephan clearer. It is just more natural for me to end up releasing those wedges. So, thanks!

TGM guys love that flying wedge.