Baylor scandal

[iacas]

32 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Reported.  Again, any prosecutions?

It sounds as if Baylor has been on top of it and has taken action as necessary against the staff that discouraged possible victims from coming forward.

You could Google this stuff yourself, you know. If you're going to profess your opinion, all you've seemed to do lately is to demonstrate that it's an uninformed opinion.

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She said she screamed and yelled “no” constantly during the assault but he sexually assaulted her before falling asleep, leaving her scrambling to find a way home.

Baylor investigated the incident, but Associate Dean Bethany McCraw testified outside the presence of the jury that she determined “by a preponderance of the evidence that there was not enough evidence to move forward.”

Ukwuachu was not arrested until the case was forwarded to the district attorney’s office. Baylor had cleared him to play until he was indicted, according to defense attorney Jonathan Sibley.

After Ukwuachu’s conviction, Baylor released a statement from spokeswoman Lori Fogleman that said Baylor is committed to “maintaining a safe and caring community.”

He was convicted, yet Baylor said there was not even enough evidence to move forward with an investigation?

[David in FL]

34 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/baylor-football-player-convicted-of-sexual-assault/article_00adce9a-be02-515c-ad4e-f8e5149df707.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2016/04/13/ex-baylor-football-player-shawn-oakman-arrested-after-sexual-assault-accusation

 

Interesting.  Thanks.  Still reserving judgement against Baylor itself.  

 

[David in FL]

28 minutes ago, iacas said:

You could Google this stuff yourself, you know. If you're going to profess your opinion, all you've seemed to do lately is to demonstrate that it's an uninformed opinion.

He was convicted, yet Baylor said there was not even enough evidence to move forward with an investigation?

Why should I need to Google to see if someone's incomplete post is accurate?  

If someone doesn't want a post questioned, provide enough info in the post to support their position.  

I still don't see the level of responsibility on the part of Baylor that would lead to the types of sanctions others are talking about.  Not to say it won't come to that, but not yet.  Yep, that's my opinion.  As informed as anyone's, even if others don't care for it.

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Why should I need to Google to see if someone's incomplete post is accurate?

That's not why I said you should Google.

You're expressing an opinion that's coming off as really uninformed.

3 minutes ago, David in FL said:

If someone doesn't want a post questioned, provide enough info in the post to support their position.

You're not questioning the post(s).

3 minutes ago, David in FL said:

As informed as anyone's, even if others don't care for it.

It doesn't come off that way. I'm not sure you know more about it than me, and I barely know more than what we discussed in a Title IX seminar I attended last August. And you've shown little interest in becoming more informed.

[David in FL]

18 minutes ago, iacas said:

That's not why I said you should Google.

You're expressing an opinion that's coming off as really uninformed.

You're not questioning the post(s).

It doesn't come off that way. I'm not sure you know more about it than me, and I barely know more than what we discussed in a Title IX seminar I attended last August. And you've shown little interest in becoming more informed.

My opinion is that I'm withholding judgement on whether Baylor, as an institution should be punished, and if so, to what level, until more info is available.  If you're "better informed" on the specifics of this situation, and what their actual culpability is here, please share it with us.  

I admit that I don't have enough information to come to judgement.  I consider that a lot more prudent than those who jump to judgement without complete knowledge.

 

 

[iacas]

I think my previous response made the amount that I care about this particular topic or even @David in FL's responses to be about an order of magnitude higher than it truly is, so, in the interests of not arguing just to argue or whatever the hell it is I'm doing, I'm just ending my participation in this topic.

I hope justice is eventually served, whichever way the facts line up.