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"Moving" under the law of physics, is not the same as "moving" according to the rules of golf. I understand your point, the rule really should be that if your club touches the ball there would be a penalty.

I would enforce the rule exactly as it is supposed to be. If Corey Pavin thought the ball did not move based on looking at it from a few feet away, then that would be the final determination. If he thought it moved 1/8" or a 1/16", then the determination would be that it moved. What I am saying is, if with your own eyes, on the course, at the time of it happening you can not perceive the movement, then that should be how it is determined. I am against using high speed video cameras, zoomed in, played in slow motion, and as in Pavin's case, the ball may have moved literally +- a dimple, which the human eye couldn't even pick up, and then assessing a penalty based upon that. We shouldn't be employing technology after the fact for such minute things which have no effect on any outcome.

This type of rule should be enforced based upon the players' determination with the human eye at the time it happens. If the player sees it and thinks the ball did not move and a competitor has no objection, then that is what should be the final decision. If players are not sure what happened, then they could ask the committee to review it. Perfect example is the penalty to Corey Pavin in last year's Sr. Open. He new he touched the ball, he was lookig directly at it, but thought that it had come to rest in the same spot, so that was his determination. Later through the review of video, it was determined that the ball had actually moved to a new location, even though it was imperceptible to the human eye at the time it happened. This penalty in my mind was absurd.

In the old days, they used to putt with a lot of wrist action, especially on the short putts, not like today where the pendulum motion is used. Here is a perfect example of Bobby Jones putting in this fashion. They used to anchor their forearms against their legs and use all wrist and body turn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnYXZ79nKKY Resting par of their hand or even part of the forearm against the leg while making the stroke would now constitute anchoring.

Both Arnold and Billy C putted at times with their hands wresting against their legs. Under 14-1b, this in fact, is considered anchored and would not be allowed.

Found it, not sure if in stock: http://thegolfcoastonline.com/item.asp?cID=0&PID;=1147

Sorry I missed turtle's sarcasm. My comment is hereby redirected at the other poster- thanw

Contact Cleveland customer support. Usually an OEM would ship this out free. Otherwise save yourself a lot of aggravation and put a new shaft in the driver.

You can't be serious thinking that the anchoring rule is about helping Tiger beat Jack's record ?

So the difference is the 8b4 is a little heavier 83 vs 82 grams and a little stiffer 6.5 v. 6.0. To swing the 6.5 stiffness effectively you probably need a club head speed with a min of 100 to 105 mph.

Very hard to find, but you need a Lamkin. I found one "sold" on ebay. Here is a link for the grip for the .650 butt- click on view technical spes: http://www.lamkingrips.com/?r=845-Cleveland-Wedge-Iron Also this link gives a phone number to call if you can't find them. I am sure Lamkin will ship them to you.

What factors have led to the vast majority of the PING tour pros, using the G25 Driver, as opposed to the lower spinning I20 or Anser?

So boiling all this down- 33-7/4.5 really has no bearing on this issue. The facts are very simple and the committee's decision is supported by the rules. 1. The "Committee" reviewed the drop and determined there was no penalty prior to Tiger signing the card. Whether they informed Tiger of this or not, is irrelevant under the rules. 2. Had they made the correct determination by either better video review or simply asking Tiger prior to signing the card, Then Tiger would have been assessed the 2 stroke penalty, signed the card, and continued with the tournament. 3. Had the committee not reviewed this drop prior to signing the card and then the facts came out as they did where Tiger essentially admitted to an improper drop, then, in all likelihood he would have been DQ'd. 4. Like Stevie Williams said, Tiger should have known the rules and probably should have been DQ'd. But because the "committee" had reviewed it prior to signing the card, that gave Tiger a "get out of jail free card". The "committee" ultimately put the situation back to point 2 above, because they felt responsible for the initial incorrect determination.

I could start my reply the same way you started yours, but I won't. Dropping twice and then placing as you suggest only applies to certain situations, which has nothing to do with this thread. You can in fact "redrop without penalty as many times as you have to" . Maybe you missed Zach Johnson gaming the system last year with several redrops until he got it just right.

I agree that the divit is normally in front of where the ball actually lay on the ground. The point for all to know is that you need to pick " a specific spot " where either you know the ball last was or where it is estimated to have been. In this case Tiger knew exactly where his last divit was and where the ball last layed. Once you know this, the rules required him to stand over this "exact" spot and drop the ball. The rules don't use the word "exact", they call it " as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played ". "Knowingly" holding the ball a foot behind this spot, is not in compliance. "Knowingly" holding the ball 6 inches behind the spot, is not in compliance. That is why the rule allows you to redrop without penalty as many times as you have to, if it should land closer to the hole. The literal interpretation is as explained above, the rules do not at all allow or address dropping a little behind the "spot" so as to not drop "nearer to the hole". The rules people just blew it when they looked at the film the first time. As said above, it doesn't matter because they finally made the correct decision and the out come was the same.

When taking a drop form the place where you last played your ball, how close to you have to drop in order to have it comply with the "as near as possible" wording? In the middle of the fairway, no obvious advantages or benefits to where you are dropping, If you find your last divit, and stand a little behind it so as to not drop any nearer the hole, you would be in breach of this rule. I think what this ruling is saying is, you should be holding the ball "exactly" over your last divit. Holding your ball even a few inches behind the last divit, is not in compliance.

If he is not certain that the original ball went into the hazard, then he can not drop a ball as if it did. He played a wrong ball, and if not corrected before he plays the next hole it is a DQ in medal play.

There is nothing unusual about this situation. If the road qualifies as a road from which you get relief: 1) you must first determine the nearest point of relief. This could be the left side it could be the right side of the road. But it is definitely one side and not the other. 2) if the drop is on the right side, you must first take your drop. After this is done, you then would determine if you are entitled to additional relief from a different situation. If the fence is an OB fence from which you would not normally get free relief, and it interferes with your intended swing, that's too bad.

Perfect smash factor of 1.50 - club head speed would be 108 mph (162mph ball speed / 1.50) Not too good smash factor of 1.45 - club head speed would be 112 mph (162/1.45) My guess is that your actual club head is somewhere between the 2 numbers above, probably closer to the 112.

- What the worker told you probably had no bearing. - If it was not OB or, not in an area defined as GUR, you needed to play the ball as it lied. - If it was not OB you could not play your provisional, because once you find the original ball (not OB) the provisional is null and void. - If you dropped on the other side of the hedges, you played from a wrong place.

And that equals 1 penalty stroke. 2nd stroke+ 1 penalty = third shot

The original post has nothing to do with free relief from a cart path, he played the correct ball for all the wrong reasons and incurred a penalty stroke. You are correct- If you are taking relief from the cart path, you get 1 club length, no nearer the hole, from the nearest point of relief. So you would not be able to re tee the ball if this happens to fall on the teeing area. It must be dropped. You can not drop in a hazard or putting green.

Re-teeing the ball is perfectly OK. Whether in a hazard, unplayable, or lost, you always have the additional option to replay your last shot. If that happened to be from a teeing area then you may certainly tee the ball up.

Here are some aspects of the rules - If you thought that the first ball went into the hazard, you can't play a provisional. A provisional is only for balls lost (outside a water hazard) or OB. - If you think the first might be lost or OB, then in order for you to play a 2nd ball as a provisional, you must first declare it as such with the word "provisional" and it must be played before you go look for the first ball. You are using the word provisional in your description, but, what it sounds like is as follows: - Your first ball went into a hazard, which was virtually certain from what you describe (even though it ended up outside the hazard). - And, when you played the 2nd ball from the tee, which is what one of your options would be for a ball in a hazard, that became the ball in play. Whether or not you found your original ball no longer matters. You ended up playing the correct ball for all the wrong reasons. There is a penalty stroke involved, so you lie 3 wherever the 2nd tee shot came to rest. Even if you mistakenly announced the 2nd ball as a "provisional", it would not be a provisional, but the ball in play.

Actually, this Rules decision above says that you do not get relief. The only way you get relief is if there is a local rule adopted specific to that particular stake(s). USGA rule is - once an OOB marker always an OOB marker.