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Wait a second, Elway? I'm not going the cheat by looking it up.

Go! When I was in HS, I went to a guitar workshop in NYC hosted by James Taylor. The talent there was amazing, and they talked about all these techniques, most of which I could not duplicate.But James gave a short concert, it was incredible.

OMG! Jorma! When I was in college we would intake various substances and listen to Jorma. A number of us were musicians in one capacity or another, and we would just sit there after listening, and go 'F*ckin Jorma. Wow.' The only Jorma song I could come close to playing well was 'Hesitation Blues'.

Splitting hairs in that distinction IMO.If I could carry her bag, or walk along, I would tell her standard caddy stuff. 'The wind is right to left here, aim at the right side of the green and swing normally'. 'OK, put a nice tempo on this one'. 'I see 10" of break with a nice stroke'. To quote Harvey Firestone, "Is that so wrong?"

Good point - some things do remain constant no matter what the situation. Eg, sequencing, and certain positions. Still, an open face splash wedge is very different from a driver swing, although there are certain aspects in common.

Sigh. Another? I had not heard. When I was about 8 my Dad bought 'Jefferson Airplane Takes Off". I used to listen to it over and over. A lot more folksy kind of like the Byrds, pure 60's sound. They had quite a journey. they were on the leading edge of the hard psychedelic sound, and then morphed into elevator music as Jefferson Starship.

Sacrificing the character of the game by allowing caddying? How many times do you think Bones advised Phil 'yeah, you got a little quick on that one'? How about reading chips and putts? Almost like cheating.

Wait, so that means that irons and driver are different swings! I guess it depends on what we mean by different. To me, anything with a long shaft is way different from a short shaft club. Ball position, AoA, tempo. Those three things are enough to call them 'different'. Then, add in different shots - what about the 'difference' between a punch 5i into the wind vs. a high floating SW? Are those swings even remotely similar?

My wife has a tendency to pull up and look up before impact, so I do the Sean Foley place the grip of a club by her left temple while she hits. It helps to keep you 'in the swing' all the way until after impact. The only difference is Tiger pays Sean (or used to) thousands of dollars per hour to do this, while all I get is complaining.

For me it depends on the situation. During the HC season, I almost always play the ball down and keep score unless there are mitigating circumstances, like rushing to the course after work, jumping out of my car and hitting, in which case I just play (although still I keep score in my head). During the off-season, I just keep score in my head sort of. However, no matter what time of year, if I'm playing in my skins group and playing matches, obviously I'm keeping score. I only post in season though...

Sorry, but there's just not enough information here. However, using my intuition and noting your index, I would guess your are 'slapping' the ball. It's a move I see all the time from high cappers. A bit of a combination of OTT and coming up out of position. Commit, stay down, stay in the swing, don't pull up, and finish your swing after contact.

Yes that is obvious. But, with the whole 'grow the game' campaign in mind, they are walking the line of having lots of kids who shoot 100+ decide to just try something else. It's a question of how tough do you want to make it? I'm thinking maybe they should allow caddying/coaching up to age 16 -17. My daughter has only been playing 4 yrs, and I can generally save her a bunch of strokes just reminding her to do certain things. She has come off the course a couple times crying because she shot a 100+.

I like that. Thanks Pretzel!

Look everyone, good replies, and valid points. I realize football is a business, and I like the point that there are only 16 games each season, therefore they have to make more money per game. But, for many years we have bought tickets at somewhat reasonable prices (I remember like ~$120 ea); heck, we attended the Giants NFC playoff game vs the Seagles only about 15 rows back from the 40 yd line for $350 ea in 2009. Then, prices reached the level where I said no. My point is, the cost keeps going up and up and up as demand grows and grows due to a brilliant and insidious marketing campaign. (It's reached the point where women are now football fans!) Also, the thugery (which definitely has a positive correlation to $$) is getting just stupid. Drugs, violence, weapons, I'm tired of it. I want to watch other sports. There's plenty available. Go Rangers! That's all I got. Please return this thread to Manning v. Newton....I would like to see Peyton win one last one,,,

My Eagles?!?! Nooooo! It burns! It burns! I'm born and raised in NY! I have to go wash my brain out....

Wait, I'm not talking about the drug (football) killing anyone, just that it is addicting, and people will pay anything to buy it. That's all. The Maseratti analogy might actually be appropriate in that poor people could be spending beyond their means just to watch and participate (re: marketing and branding) in NFL football. Read: poor Pleasantville kids wearing half their household net worth on their backs in the form of a Cam Newton jersey. I am not rich, but if Maseratti were plastered all over TV, radio, and print media, I might just convince myself that I have to buy one, but luckily for us, Maseratti doesn't do that. If you can attend an NFL game for $50, please let me know and I will fly out to see the game and still pay less than watching a Giants/Eagles game here. Thanks much for giving me permission to watch or not watch heuristically. I appreciate it. I think I will still divest myself heuristically (did I use that word OK? - not sure) of football. Too many thugs, too many billionairs, too much abuse of the fan base. It's my decision. Heuristically, of course.

People can also stop doing heroin if they want. I am stopping, and believe me, it's not easy. Yeah yeah, of course supply and demand drives prices, and online prices include a markup. Duh. I have always got tickets online. Just 2 or 3 yrs ago it got ridiculous. And that is the drug factor. The NFL and the franchises know that they have us by the short hairs, because their product is that good. I will admit it. You say that 60+K fans can afford the tickets? Maybe. How many of them are really not that wealthy? It must be nice to afford thousands of dollars to watch football and not even feel it. A crack addict justifies their purchases by forgoing food. Sure, I could have afforded $560 for standing room only tickets, but depleting my checking account to stand for 4 hrs in the cold to me has crossed the line of what is sensible.

No, they do not care about the fans. I will reiterate, they DO NOT care about the fans. Does a crack dealer 'care' about his customers? They know that they have a product which, if presented, marketed, and proliferated in the right way is almost like a drug. I concur it is a great game. And they know it, and will extract every last dollar bill from your pocket using the right tactics. C'mon, at what point will we all agree that ticket prices are ridiculous for a regular season game? $200? $400? $800? $1200? $2000? Stop me at some point here.....I can keep going...at some point we have to agree it's ridiculous. Well, I personally have reached that point.

For many years my stepson and I would go see Big Blue when they come to play the Beagles. It was a ritual. The prices (for everything - tickets, parking, food, etc) kept going up every year. Then, 2, maybe 3 years ago, I was looking for tickets (and not last minute), and the lowest price I could find was $280 ea for SRO. S. R. O. I can't afford to spend $800 for 3 hrs of entertainment. My son and I could just about go to Florida for a week for that money. WTF? As for branding, I looked into getting a jersey - $200. For a shirt? Seriously? I am not paying them to do all this. I am divesting myself from the NFL. I have purchased the NHL package the last two winters and by next year I plan to be free and clean from the nasty NFL The way they would appreciate the fans more is by not being all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Get it?

They don't care about their fans. They care only about $$$. Only. Oh, sorry, they also care about marketing, and branding, and merchandising, and leverage, and marketing, and sales, and PR, and media image, and did I mention marketing? Where are the fans in all this?

I hate the NFL. And the franchises. And how the players and coaches have become. I love the game though.

Wait, you're in NW NY and you say a couple months and you'll be playing? Can I have some of whatever you're taking? Seriously though 9wood, you are experiencing the norm. It's like trying to balance on top of a beach ball. If you ever get all the sections of your game going well, we'll see you on tour. When you consider, there's driver, FW woods/hybrids, long irons, mid irons, short irons/wedges, putter. Then, there's the different types of shots you need to hit with each of those clubs. There's no freakin way anyone can master all of them at once. I think it was Hogan who observed the same in something like, 'I have never seen anyone who can be a master of the driver and the irons', or something like that. All you can do at our level is try to get as close as you can to being proficient at as many of those sections as possible. IMO.

You can't hear hissing from your own shot. I never have, but I have had other players say they heard it from one of my shots as it goes by them when I pure an iron (tons of backspin).

Awesome. A "Fox Network". See what I did there? I lived the the E Bay for 5 years (San Ramon). Loved playing Met, and the Marina, although having the wheels of incoming planes tickling the hairs on the top of your head at the Marina was a bit distracting.

Good stuff man. Thanks. Just to put things in perspective, Wolfie lived in the 1700's. No electricity. No computers. No recording software. No auto-tune (gasp!). He wrote, note for note, 40 minute long symphonies of incredible beauty and complexity by hand that included 28 different instruments. And yet, we crown someone who pumps out a song in 2 days using a computer loop and a drum machine as one of the best creative geniuses of all time....