I was up north at Treetops Resort earlier in the year, and they have some framed scorecards posted on the wall. Now this is not the typical public course, or muni. It is more like what the pros are used to playing. But interesting info nonetheless. One card had Lee Janzen firing a 63, with Rick Smith shooting 67 or 68. (guess he can play a bit too, not just teach) There was another from Janzen shooting a 64. One with Mickelson carding 63 or 64, with another 68 from Rick Smith. These guys obviously, were playing from the tips. I had just played the Smith course that at least one of these cards had come from, and I played the Blue tees. I think I shot 75 or 76, and was extremely happy with it. But of course I was brought back down to earth, after I saw those scores.